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To: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Concours Registry and Guidelines (was: Thanks for all the help)
From: Randy Hicks via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 21:59:06 -0500
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Thank You Michael, John and others who have chimed in in support of =
=E2=80=9CConcours=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99ve held off responding due to the =
inappropriateness and lunacy of the comment.

Despite what some people many feel, Concours is stronger than ever. This =
year we have sold over 100 set of the Guideline which is more than twice =
any previous year. The 2020 Update will be out in early January 2020 =
with more photos and quite a few addition and correction to pervious =
editions. We research and  produce nearly 700 pages of data and photos =
supporting our passion.

The Concours Committee (contrary to many beliefs) does believes that our =
Concours cars are meant to be driven. We also believe and acknowledge =
that Concours is not for everyone ( this is fine), but that we need to =
be documenting how the Austin-Healey was built originally as a source =
for those that are interested and those just wanting to keep their cars =
as they were produced. We learn more and more each year, and totally =
believe in passing the information along to those interested.

It is hardly =E2=80=9Cbullshit=E2=80=9D. Hundreds of hours of work goes =
into the documentation each year.

Randy

Randy Hicks
Chairman, Austin-Healey Concours Registry Committee

> On Dec 12, 2019, at 7:09 PM, Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> John, I could not agree with more with everything you have said.=20
> Concours may not be for everyone but to characterize it as "bullshit" =
is a profound insult to the dozens of dedicated individuals who believe =
in the accurate preservation of the marque.
> For years I found Kees contributions to this list to be consistently =
simplistic and generic and was very gratified to find that Gmail =
provides an easy way to block his drivel.=20
>=20
> M
>=20
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 11:27 AM John P. New, <jnew@hazelden.ca =
> Kees,
>=20
> Your statement, "All this concourse stuff is bullshit," really makes =
me angry.
>=20
> I have been a member of this list for almost twenty years and I have =
seen you write some really inaccurate things about Healeys but this =
takes the cake. Indeed, even the late Richard Chrysler once told you on =
this list to keep your uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to =
yourself.
>=20
> The Concours Guidelines (and *please* spell concours properly) is one =
of the few secondary sources of information that can help in the =
preservation and restoration of an Austin-Healey. I would say that in =
many ways it is THE BEST secondary source because it is updated annually =
as new information is gathered. No publication is without errors, so =
even great books by such authors as Clausager or Moment & Anderson do =
contain factual inaccuracies that may mislead a restoration. (To be fair =
to Moment & Anderson, they keep a list of errata for their book, =
available for the asking)
>=20
> If you think Concours is about trailer queens and awards, then you =
just have no clue why the organization exists. To quote the very first =
sentence of the Austin-Healey Concours Registry Organization, Policies =
and Inspection Guidelines,
>=20
> "The Austin-Healey Concours Registry was created by members from a =
number of Austin-Healey clubs in North America to assist owners in =
restoring their cars to original standards and to encourage the =
restoration and maintenance of original cars."
>=20
> This sums up the entire mission of the Registry. Please note that the =
word "bullshit" does not appear there nor anywhere else in the =
publication.
>=20
> So, following in the footsteps of Richard Chrysler: Kees, please keep =
your baseless, uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.
>=20
> John P. New
> London, Ontario, Canada
>=20
>=20
> On Thursday, December 12, 2019 2:35:33 AM EST Kees Oudesluijs wrote:
> > That looks very neat and tidy. Time to get it dirty. However fit =
some=20
> > air filters in a cold box first. Avoid the foam affairs because of=20=

> > severe fire risk. These cars are for driving. All this concourse =
stuff=20
> > is bullshit. Use them, make them safe to drive in modern traffic and=20=

> > enjoy them. We have friends that use their A-H cars as a daily =
driver=20
> > and rebuild the car every so often if and when extensive repairs are=20=

> > needed.
> >=20
> > To many concourse trailer queens about that may not even be fit for =
driving.
> >=20
> > Kees Oudesluijs
> >=20
> >=20
> >=20
> > Op 12-12-2019 om 04:05 schreef richard mayor:
> > > The 1960 BT7 that I have been working on is not concours. I can't =
go=20
> > > into details right now but here's a photo of the engine =
compartment.
> > >
> > > DSCN4470 (1).jpg
> > >
> >=20

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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Thank=
 You Michael, John and others who have chimed in in support of =
=E2=80=9CConcours=E2=80=9D. I=E2=80=99ve held off responding due to the =
inappropriateness and lunacy of the comment.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Despite what some people many feel, =
Concours is stronger than ever. This year we have sold over 100 set of =
the Guideline which is more than twice any previous year. The 2020 =
Update will be out in early January 2020 with more photos and quite a =
few addition and correction to pervious editions. We research and =
&nbsp;produce nearly 700 pages of data and photos supporting our =
passion.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The =
Concours Committee (contrary to many beliefs) does believes that our =
Concours cars are meant to be driven. We also believe and acknowledge =
that Concours is not for everyone ( this is fine), but that we need to =
be documenting how the Austin-Healey was built originally as a source =
for those that are interested and those just wanting to keep their cars =
as they were produced. We learn more and more each year, and totally =
believe in passing the information along to those interested.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">It is hardly =
=E2=80=9Cbullshit=E2=80=9D. Hundreds of hours of work goes into the =
documentation each year.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Randy</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Randy Hicks</div><div class=3D"">Chairman, Austin-Healey =
Concours Registry Committee<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Dec 12, 2019, at 7:09 PM, =
Michael Salter &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" =
class=3D"">John, I could not agree with more with everything you have =
said.&nbsp;<div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Concours may not be for everyone =
but to characterize it as "bullshit" is a profound insult to the dozens =
of dedicated individuals who believe in the accurate preservation of the =
marque.</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">For years I found Kees =
contributions to this list to be consistently simplistic and generic and =
was very gratified to find that Gmail provides an easy way to block his =
drivel.&nbsp;</div><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">M</div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec =
12, 2019, 11:27 AM John P. New, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jnew@hazelden.ca"; =
class=3D"">jnew@hazelden.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""></div><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex">Kees,<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Your statement, "All this concourse stuff is bullshit," really makes me =
angry.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I have been a member of this list for almost twenty years and I have =
seen you write some really inaccurate things about Healeys but this =
takes the cake. Indeed, even the late Richard Chrysler once told you on =
this list to keep your uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to =
yourself.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
The Concours Guidelines (and *please* spell concours properly) is one of =
the few secondary sources of information that can help in the =
preservation and restoration of an Austin-Healey. I would say that in =
many ways it is THE BEST secondary source because it is updated annually =
as new information is gathered. No publication is without errors, so =
even great books by such authors as Clausager or Moment &amp; Anderson =
do contain factual inaccuracies that may mislead a restoration. (To be =
fair to Moment &amp; Anderson, they keep a list of errata for their =
book, available for the asking)<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
If you think Concours is about trailer queens and awards, then you just =
have no clue why the organization exists. To quote the very first =
sentence of the Austin-Healey Concours Registry Organization, Policies =
and Inspection Guidelines,<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
"The Austin-Healey Concours Registry was created by members from a =
number of Austin-Healey clubs in North America to assist owners in =
restoring their cars to original standards and to encourage the =
restoration and maintenance of original cars."<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
This sums up the entire mission of the Registry. Please note that the =
word "bullshit" does not appear there nor anywhere else in the =
publication.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
So, following in the footsteps of Richard Chrysler: Kees, please keep =
your baseless, uninformed opinions on Austin-Healeys to yourself.<br =
class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
John P. New<br class=3D"">
London, Ontario, Canada<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
On Thursday, December 12, 2019 2:35:33 AM EST Kees Oudesluijs wrote:<br =
class=3D"">
&gt; That looks very neat and tidy. Time to get it dirty. However fit =
some <br class=3D"">
&gt; air filters in a cold box first. Avoid the foam affairs because of =
<br class=3D"">
&gt; severe fire risk. These cars are for driving. All this concourse =
stuff <br class=3D"">
&gt; is bullshit. Use them, make them safe to drive in modern traffic =
and <br class=3D"">
&gt; enjoy them. We have friends that use their A-H cars as a daily =
driver <br class=3D"">
&gt; and rebuild the car every so often if and when extensive repairs =
are <br class=3D"">
&gt; needed.<br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; To many concourse trailer queens about that may not even be fit for =
driving.<br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; Kees Oudesluijs<br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; <br class=3D"">
&gt; Op 12-12-2019 om 04:05 schreef richard mayor:<br class=3D"">
&gt; &gt; The 1960 BT7 that I have been working on is not concours. I =
can't go <br class=3D"">
&gt; &gt; into details right now but here's a photo of the engine =
compartment.<br class=3D"">
&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt; &gt; DSCN4470 (1).jpg<br class=3D"">
&gt; &gt;<br class=3D"">
=
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