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To: simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure and replacing the oil pump
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2019 14:19:06 -0500
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 *"(All of which begs the question as to why BMC switched from one to
t=E2=80=99other!)"*
I recall reading in a TSB that the change was made because it was found
that the "rotor" pump was causing cam gear failures...

M

On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 2:05 PM <simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com> wrote:

> Me too. DW =E2=80=9CHigh Capacity=E2=80=9D type pump which is their versi=
on of the older
> =E2=80=9Crotor=E2=80=9D type pump. It does a good job.
>
> The newer pumps are =E2=80=9CGear=E2=80=9D type.
>
> I gathered, from people who know about these things, that the High
> Capacity is best all round and the Rotor only comes into its own at high
> revs.
>
> (All of which begs the question as to why BMC switched from one to
> t=E2=80=99other!)
>
> As to County, don=E2=80=99t know if they=E2=80=99ve attempted an oil pump=
. Their water
> pump is an inferior item, for sure. I studied Michaels=E2=80=99 blog on t=
he topic
> and stripping down both original types and one County absolutely confirms
> what he says.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Bruce
> Steele
> *Sent:* 30 December 2019 16:53
> *To:* 'Michael Salter' <michaelsalter@gmail.com>; 'Robert Begani' <
> rfbegani@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure and replacing the oil pump
>
>
>
> I installed Denis Welch push rods, along with the DWR-1 cam and hollow
> lifters, when my engine was done.  I also run a DWR high capacity oil
> pump.  I run around 40 pounds at speed.
>
>
>
> Bruce Steele
>
> Brea, CA
>
> 1960 BN7
>
>
>
> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net
> <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net>] *On Behalf Of *Michael Salter
> *Sent:* Monday, December 30, 2019 6:20 AM
> *To:* Robert Begani <rfbegani@gmail.com>
> *Cc:* healeys@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure and replacing the oil pump
>
>
>
> Hi Robert, you are the second person that I have heard of who had that
> problem with "cheapo repo" push rods.
>
> It seems that those that are currently available are produced with too
> small a diameter of the cup so they seize on the rocker ball and break of=
f.
>
> I would recommend that you inspect all the rocker ball ends carefully the=
n
> install a set of good used push rods to prevent further problems.
>
>
>
> M
>
>
>
> BTW depending upon who supplied the bad parts you may be able to recover
> the costs involved.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 12:55 AM Robert Begani, <rfbegani@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> When I rebuilt the engine last year I did not replace the oil pump becaus=
e
> I had good oil pressure.  Currently, from time to time, while breaking in
> the engine I am driving the car round trip 20-30 miles down the Tamiami
> Trail which is an open road for that stretch..  On a recent trip, the
> weather was cool, so the oil pressure was running 35 to 40 psi while the
> engine temperature was going up to 180 at 3000 rpm.  At 4000 rpm the
> temperature climbed over 180 degrees and the oil pressure dropped below 3=
0
> psi. .  I am considering replacing the oil pump and remember that there i=
s
> a discussion about the quality of Moss pumps.  Maybe I should buy the
> rebuild kit and change gears?
>
>
>
> Oh by the way, on the last run all hell broke loose and had the car towed
> home.  Seems the mushroom on top of one of the push rods broke.  So I am
> replacing all 12 of them.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Bob Begani
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)"><i><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&quot;(All of which begs the question =
as to why BMC switched from one to t=E2=80=99other!)&quot;</span></i></span=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans=
-serif;font-size:small"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><font color=3D"#0=
00000">I recall reading in a TSB that the change was made because it was fo=
und that the &quot;rotor&quot; pump was causing cam gear failures... </font=
><br></span></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"=
><br></span></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:=
comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"=
><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">M</span><br></span></span></div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size=
:small"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255)"><i><span style=3D"font-size:11pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"></span></i></span>

</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_=
attr">On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 2:05 PM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@a=
lexarevel.plus.com">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></d=
iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-GB"><d=
iv class=3D"gmail-m_-1916944789079687300WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"=
>Me too. DW =E2=80=9CHigh Capacity=E2=80=9D type pump which is their versio=
n of the older =E2=80=9Crotor=E2=80=9D type pump. It does a good job.<u></u=
><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">The newer pumps are =E2=80=9CGear=
=E2=80=9D type.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">I gathered, =
from people who know about these things, that the High Capacity is best all=
 round and the Rotor only comes into its own at high revs.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">(All of which begs the question as to why BMC=
 switched from one to t=E2=80=99other!)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif">As to County, don=E2=80=99t know if they=E2=80=99ve attempted an=
 oil pump. Their water pump is an inferior item, for sure. I studied Michae=
ls=E2=80=99 blog on the topic and stripping down both original types and on=
e County absolutely confirms what he says.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
;,sans-serif">Simon<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-color:rgb(225,225,225) cu=
rrentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;border-width:1pt mediu=
m medium;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font=
-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">From:=
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sa=
ns-serif" lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@aut=
ox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>On=
 Behalf Of </b>Bruce Steele<br><b>Sent:</b> 30 December 2019 16:53<br><b>To=
:</b> &#39;Michael Salter&#39; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>&gt;; &#39;Robert Begani&#3=
9; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfbegani@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">rfbegani@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; targ=
et=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] O=
il Pressure and replacing the oil pump<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">I=
 installed Denis Welch push rods, along with the DWR-1 cam and hollow lifte=
rs, when my engine was done.=C2=A0 I also run a DWR high capacity oil pump.=
=C2=A0 I run around 40 pounds at speed.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif"=
 lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,1=
25)" lang=3D"EN-US">Bruce Steele<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;color:r=
gb(31,73,125)" lang=3D"EN-US">Brea, CA<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:rgb(31,73,125)" lang=3D"EN-US">1960 BN7<u></u><u></u></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Trebuchet MS&quot;,sans-s=
erif" lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif=
" lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US"> Healeys [<a href=3D"mailto:=
healeys-bounces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">mailto:healeys-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Salter<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday=
, December 30, 2019 6:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> Robert Begani &lt;<a href=3D"mail=
to:rfbegani@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rfbegani@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>C=
c:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@=
autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Oil Pressure and replac=
ing the oil pump<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi Robert, you are the second person that I have heard=
 of who had that problem with &quot;cheapo repo&quot; push rods.<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It seems tha=
t those that are currently available are produced with too small a diameter=
 of the cup so they seize on the rocker ball and break off.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I would rec=
ommend that you inspect all the rocker ball ends carefully then install a s=
et of good used push rods to prevent further problems.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>M<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-US">BTW depending upon who supplied the bad parts you may be =
able to recover the costs involved.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 12:55 AM Robert Begani, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rfbegan=
i@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">rfbegani@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u><=
/u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border-color:currentcolor currentc=
olor currentcolor rgb(204,204,204);border-style:none none none solid;border=
-width:medium medium medium 1pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6pt;margin:5pt 0cm 5pt =
4.8pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">When I rebuilt the engine last year I =
did not replace the oil pump because I had good oil pressure.=C2=A0 Current=
ly, from time to time, while breaking in the engine I am driving the car ro=
und trip 20-30 miles down the Tamiami Trail which is an open road for that =
stretch..=C2=A0 On a recent trip, the weather was cool, so the oil pressure=
 was running 35 to 40 psi while the engine temperature was going up to 180 =
at 3000 rpm.=C2=A0 At 4000 rpm the temperature climbed over 180 degrees and=
 the oil pressure dropped below 30 psi. .=C2=A0 I am considering replacing =
the oil pump and remember that there is a discussion about the quality of M=
oss pumps.=C2=A0 Maybe I should buy the rebuild kit and change gears?</span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</=
span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">Oh b=
y the way, on the last run all hell broke loose and had the car towed home.=
=C2=A0 Seems the mushroom on top of one of the push rods broke.=C2=A0 So I =
am replacing all 12 of them.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,s=
ans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quo=
t;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">Regards,</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u=
></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Ari=
al&quot;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></=
u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif" lang=3D"EN-US">Bob Begani</span><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mar=
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