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Charlie,
Further to my previous post I may have more information.
I have come across, in my "DO NOT USE" box a "cheapo repo" Healey side rod
sold by A H Spares under STG215 and Moss Motors under 667-550. (Don't get
me started !)
This part has weird threads on the rod ends. They are 11.96 mm in diameter
and appear to be 1.5 mm pitch. That's a 12mm fine thread.
M
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 11:53 AM Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi again Charlie,
> In your original request you said that the tie rod ends were the originals
> for your BN1.
> I have checked an NOS BN2 tie rod end and when I measure the 7/16" thread
> it is 0.433" (10.98 mm) diameter and the thread is exactly 20 T.P.I. This
> is a U.N.F. thread.
> A used early BN1 tie rod end thread is 0.435" (11.49 mm) in diameter and
> and the thread is exactly 18 T.P.I. This is a B.S.F. thread.
> The original tie rod ends on earlier BN1's were an adjustable type wherein
> a split pin could be removed and the slotted cap rotated for adjustment.
> After car C.# 157624 the tie rod ends were still B.S.F. but changed to a
> non-adjustable type wherein the threaded cap was locked by swaging and was
> not designed to be adjusted.
> If the tie rod ends that you are dealing with are unlike either of these
> then they are almost certainly not "original".
> If your thread count is 15 T.P.I. it is obviously neither of those and
> those tie rod ends probably fall into the "cheapo repo" category and the
> thread could be anything that the manufacturer could find.
>
> M
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:52 AM Charles Schott <schottc@knology.net>
> wrote:
>
>> The thread count appears to be 15 TPI. I have a 14 and a 16 TPI gage and
>> it's between those two. Since a 12M X 1.5 die runs all the way down the
>> threads, albeit loosely, and a 10M X 1.5 tap goes all the way through the
>> slotted nut, again very loose, I think that it's metric. The diameter
>> measures 10.97 MM with calipers and converted. I have not been able to find
>> a 11M X 1.5 nut, let alone a slotted one. I have three of them but need
>> three more.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Harold Manifold" <manifold@telus.net>
>> *To: *"Charles Schott" <schottc@knology.net>, "Michael Salter" <
>> michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *"Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 3, 2020 6:27:29 PM
>> *Subject: *RE: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
>>
>> Charles,
>>
>> What is the thread per inch count and the major thread diameter of the
>> ball joint (measure with a vernier or micrometer)?
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Healeys [mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of
>> *Charles
>> Schott
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 03, 2020 3:36 PM
>> *To:* Michael Salter
>> *Cc:* Healeys
>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
>>
>> My car is CE# 226706 and I have a limited set of BSF taps and dies and
>> none of them come close.
>>
>> The 12M X 1.5 die goes loosely all the way down over the stud threads.
>> When I measure the diameter of the stud threads, they measure 10.97 mm. You
>> tell me what I have.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>> *To: *"Charles Schott" <schottc@knology.net>
>> *Cc: *"Michael MacLean" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, "Healeys" <
>> healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 3, 2020 3:32:01 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
>>
>> Charlie,
>> If your car is prior to C.E.#228931 the castellated nuts for the original
>> side and center rod ends will be part #2K3996 which I think is 7/16" BSF,
>> (I don't have one to hand to check) however many of these ball joints have
>> been replaced with the later UNF style over the years and they use FNZ307
>> 7/16" UNF.
>>
>> M
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM Charles Schott <schottc@knology.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I need three slotted nuts for the original tie rod ends on a BN1. They
>>> appear to be metric 11M X 1.5 but I cannot find them. Does anyone have them
>>> or know where I can get them? Thanks.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Charlie
>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Charlie,<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">Furthe=
r to my previous post I may have more information.</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">I =
have come across, in my "DO NOT USE" box a "cheapo repo"=
; Healey side rod sold by A H Spares under STG215 and Moss Motors under 667=
-550. (Don't get me started !)<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">This part has =
weird threads on the rod ends. They are 11.96 mm in diameter and appear to =
be 1.5 mm pitch. That's a 12mm fine thread.</div><div class=3D"gmail_de=
fault" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"> <br>=
</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-=
serif;font-size:small"></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><=
br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gma=
il_attr">On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 11:53 AM Michael Salter <<a href=3D"mail=
to:michaelsalter@gmail.com">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border=
-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:small">Hi again Charlie,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font=
-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">In your original request =
you said that the tie rod ends were the originals for your BN1. <br><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:small">I have checked an NOS BN2 tie rod end and when I measure the 7/16=
" thread it is 0.433" (10.98 mm) diameter and the thread is exact=
ly 20 T.P.I. This is a U.N.F. thread.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default"=
style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">A used earl=
y BN1 tie rod end thread is 0.435" (11.49 mm) in diameter and and the =
thread is exactly 18 T.P.I. This is a B.S.F. thread.<br></div></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:small">The original tie rod ends on earlier BN1's were an adjustable=
type wherein a split pin could be removed and the slotted cap rotated for =
adjustment.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sa=
ns ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">After car C.# 157624 the tie rod ends wer=
e still B.S.F. but changed to a non-adjustable type wherein the threaded ca=
p was locked by swaging and was not designed to be adjusted.</div><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size=
:small">If the tie rod ends that you are dealing with are unlike either of =
these then they are almost certainly not "original".<br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;fon=
t-size:small">If your thread count is 15 T.P.I. it is obviously neither of =
those and those tie rod ends probably fall into the "cheapo repo"=
category and the thread could be anything that the manufacturer could find=
.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans=
-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:small">M<br></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:sma=
ll"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:comic sans =
ms,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:52 AM Ch=
arles Schott <<a href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; target=3D"_blank">s=
chottc@knology.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex"><div><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,t=
imes,serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div>The thread count appears t=
o be 15 TPI. I have a 14 and a 16 TPI gage and it's between those two. =
Since a 12M X 1.5 die runs all the way down the threads, albeit loosely, an=
d a 10M X 1.5 tap goes all the way through the slotted nut, again very loos=
e, I think that it's metric. The diameter measures 10.97 MM with calipe=
rs and converted. I have not been able to find a 11M X 1.5 nut, let alone a=
slotted one. I have three of them but need three more.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Charlie=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><=
hr id=3D"gmail-m_-9092671799143422630gmail-m_8727768328129599397zwchr"><div=
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decora=
tion:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: <=
/b>"Harold Manifold" <<a href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">manifold@telus.net</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Charles Scho=
tt" <<a href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; target=3D"_blank">schot=
tc@knology.net</a>>, "Michael Salter" <<a href=3D"mailto:mi=
chaelsalter@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>><br=
><b>Cc: </b>"Healeys" <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday,=
January 3, 2020 6:27:29 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Sl=
otted Nuts<br><div><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><span color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Arial" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial;font-size:small"=
>Charles,</span></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><span color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Arial" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial;font-size:small"=
></span></span>=C2=A0</div>
<div dir=3D"ltr" align=3D"left"><span><span color=3D"#0000ff" size=3D"2" fa=
ce=3D"Arial" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,255);font-family:Arial;font-size:small"=
>What is the thread per inch=C2=A0count and the major thread=20
diameter of the ball joint (measure with a vernier or=20
micrometer)?</span></span></div><br>
<div dir=3D"ltr" lang=3D"en-us" align=3D"left">
<hr>
<span size=3D"2" face=3D"Tahoma" style=3D"font-family:Tahoma;font-size:smal=
l"><b>From:</b> Healeys=20
[mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles=20
Schott<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 03, 2020 3:36 PM<br><b>To:</b> Micha=
el=20
Salter<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End=
=20
Slotted Nuts<br></span><br></div>
<div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,ser=
if;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>My car is CE# 226706 and I have a limited set of BSF taps and dies and=
none=20
of them come close.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The 12M X 1.5 die goes loosely all the way down over the stud threads.=
When=20
I measure the diameter of the stud threads, they measure 10.97 mm. You tell=
me=20
what I have.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Charlie</div>
<div><br></div>
<hr id=3D"gmail-m_-9092671799143422630gmail-m_8727768328129599397zwchr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Ari=
al,sans-serif;font-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal"><b>Fro=
m:=20
</b>"Michael Salter" <<a href=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Ch=
arles=20
Schott" <<a href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; target=3D"_blank">s=
chottc@knology.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"Michael MacLean"=20
<<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; target=3D"_blank">rrengineer=
.mike@att.net</a>>, "Healeys"=20
<<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, January 3, 2020 3:32:01=20
PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts<br>
<div><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">Charlie,=20
<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">If your car is=20
prior to C.E.#228931 the castellated nuts for the original side and center =
rod=20
ends will be part #2K3996 which I think is 7/16" BSF, (I don't hav=
e one to hand=20
to check)=C2=A0 however many of these ball joints have been replaced with t=
he=20
later UNF style over the years and they use FNZ307 7/16" UNF.</div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif"><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif">M<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif"><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif"><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;font-family:comic san=
s ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM Charle=
s Schott=20
<<a href=3D"mailto:schottc@knology.net"; target=3D"_blank">schottc@knolog=
y.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"padding-left:1ex;border-left:1px=
solid rgb(204,204,204);margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,s=
erif;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>I need three slotted nuts for the original tie rod ends on a BN1. Th=
ey=20
appear to be metric 11M X 1.5 but I cannot find them. Does anyone have th=
em or=20
know where I can get them? Thanks.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Charlie</div>
<div><br></div>
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