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Harold,
Thanks for the info and you are probably right that I will have to get new
ones.
Regards,
Charlie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harold Manifold" <manifold@telus.net>
To: "Michael Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>, "Charles Schott"
<schottc@knology.net>
Cc: "Healeys" <healeys@autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2020 12:17:58 PM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
Charles,
It looks like you have a Unicorn. I checked a machinery handbook and these were
the closest I could find which you probably already know:
7/16" x 14 TPI UNC American National Standard
11mm x 1.50 International Metric
7/16" x 14 TPI British Standard Whitworth
We can eliminate British Standard Fine as the diameter is too small to match a
pitch between 14 and 16. As Michael has suggested it may be a poor quality
reproduction trying to match one of these sizes. My machinery books list 7
different thread types and the three above are the closest match. I will
suggest finding a castellated nut to fit will be like finding an Albino
Unicorn.
It may be time for new tie rods.... Harold
From: Michael Salter [mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2020 9:23 AM
To: Charles Schott
Cc: Harold Manifold; Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
Charlie,
Further to my previous post I may have more information.
I have come across, in my "DO NOT USE" box a "cheapo repo" Healey side rod sold
by A H Spares under STG215 and Moss Motors under 667-550. (Don't get me started
!)
This part has weird threads on the rod ends. They are 11.96 mm in diameter and
appear to be 1.5 mm pitch. That's a 12mm fine thread.
M
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 11:53 AM Michael Salter < michaelsalter@gmail.com >
wrote:
Hi again Charlie,
In your original request you said that the tie rod ends were the originals for
your BN1.
I have checked an NOS BN2 tie rod end and when I measure the 7/16" thread it is
0.433" (10.98 mm) diameter and the thread is exactly 20 T.P.I. This is a U.N.F.
thread.
A used early BN1 tie rod end thread is 0.435" (11.49 mm) in diameter and and
the thread is exactly 18 T.P.I. This is a B.S.F. thread.
The original tie rod ends on earlier BN1's were an adjustable type wherein a
split pin could be removed and the slotted cap rotated for adjustment.
After car C.# 157624 the tie rod ends were still B.S.F. but changed to a
non-adjustable type wherein the threaded cap was locked by swaging and was not
designed to be adjusted.
If the tie rod ends that you are dealing with are unlike either of these then
they are almost certainly not "original".
If your thread count is 15 T.P.I. it is obviously neither of those and those
tie rod ends probably fall into the "cheapo repo" category and the thread could
be anything that the manufacturer could find.
M
On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:52 AM Charles Schott < schottc@knology.net > wrote:
<blockquote>
The thread count appears to be 15 TPI. I have a 14 and a 16 TPI gage and it's
between those two. Since a 12M X 1.5 die runs all the way down the threads,
albeit loosely, and a 10M X 1.5 tap goes all the way through the slotted nut,
again very loose, I think that it's metric. The diameter measures 10.97 MM with
calipers and converted. I have not been able to find a 11M X 1.5 nut, let alone
a slotted one. I have three of them but need three more.
Regards,
Charlie
From: "Harold Manifold" < manifold@telus.net >
To: "Charles Schott" < schottc@knology.net >, "Michael Salter" <
michaelsalter@gmail.com >
Cc: "Healeys" < healeys@autox.team.net >
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 6:27:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
Charles,
What is the thread per inch count and the major thread diameter of the ball
joint (measure with a vernier or micrometer)?
From: Healeys [mailto: healeys-bounces@autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Charles
Schott
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 3:36 PM
To: Michael Salter
Cc: Healeys
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
My car is CE# 226706 and I have a limited set of BSF taps and dies and none of
them come close.
The 12M X 1.5 die goes loosely all the way down over the stud threads. When I
measure the diameter of the stud threads, they measure 10.97 mm. You tell me
what I have.
Regards,
Charlie
From: "Michael Salter" < michaelsalter@gmail.com >
To: "Charles Schott" < schottc@knology.net >
Cc: "Michael MacLean" < rrengineer.mike@att.net >, "Healeys" <
healeys@autox.team.net >
Sent: Friday, January 3, 2020 3:32:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts
Charlie,
If your car is prior to C.E.#228931 the castellated nuts for the original side
and center rod ends will be part #2K3996 which I think is 7/16" BSF, (I don't
have one to hand to check) however many of these ball joints have been replaced
with the later UNF style over the years and they use FNZ307 7/16" UNF.
M
On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM Charles Schott < schottc@knology.net > wrote:
<blockquote>
I need three slotted nuts for the original tie rod ends on a BN1. They appear
to be metric 11M X 1.5 but I cannot find them. Does anyone have them or know
where I can get them? Thanks.
Regards,
Charlie
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<html><body><div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif;
font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Harold,</div><div><br></div><div> Thanks
for the info and you are probably right that I will have to get new
ones.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Charlie </div><div><br></div><hr
id="zwchr"><div
style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From:
</b>"Harold Manifold" <manifold@telus.net><br><b>To: </b>"Michael
Salter" <michaelsalter@gmail.com>, "Charles Schott"
<schottc@knology.net><br><b>Cc: </b>"Healeys"
<healeys@autox.team.net><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, January 4, 2020
12:17:58 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted
Nuts<br><div><br></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;">Charles,</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;"></span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;">It looks like you have a Unicorn. I checked a
machinery
handbook and these were the closest I could find which you probably already
know:</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;"></span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;">7/16" x 14 TPI UNC American National
Standard</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;">11mm x 1.50 International Metric</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;">7/16" x 14 TPI British Standard
Whitworth</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;"></span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;">We can eliminate British Standard Fine as the
diameter is too
small to match a pitch between 14 and 16. As Michael has suggested it may be a
poor quality reproduction trying to match one of these sizes. My machinery
books
list 7 different thread types and the three above are the closest match. I will
suggest finding a castellated nut to fit will be like finding an Albino
Unicorn.</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;"></span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="152170418-04012020"><span
color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;">It may be time for new tie rods....
Harold</span></span></div>
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color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
Arial; font-size: small;"></span></span> </div>
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color="#0000ff" size="2" face="Arial" data-mce-style="color: #0000ff;
font-family: Arial; font-size: small;" style="color: #0000ff; font-family:
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<hr>
<span size="2" face="Tahoma" data-mce-style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size:
small;" style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: small;"><b>From:</b> Michael
Salter
[mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 04, 2020
9:23 AM<br><b>To:</b> Charles Schott<br><b>Cc:</b> Harold Manifold;
Healeys<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted
Nuts<br></span><br></div>
<div></div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">Charlie,<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">Further to my
previous post I may have more information.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">I have come
across, in my "DO NOT USE" box a "cheapo repo" Healey side rod sold by A H
Spares under STG215 and Moss Motors under 667-550. (Don't get me started
!)<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">This part has
weird threads on the rod ends. They are 11.96 mm in diameter and appear to be
1.5 mm pitch. That's a 12mm fine thread.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">M<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 11:53 AM Michael
Salter
<<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";
target="_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">Hi again
Charlie,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">In your
original request you said that the tie rod ends were the originals for your
BN1. <br>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">I have checked
an NOS BN2 tie rod end and when I measure the 7/16" thread it is 0.433"
(10.98
mm) diameter and the thread is exactly 20 T.P.I. This is a U.N.F.
thread.<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">A used early
BN1 tie rod end thread is 0.435" (11.49 mm) in diameter and and the thread is
exactly 18 T.P.I. This is a B.S.F. thread.<br></div></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">The original
tie rod ends on earlier BN1's were an adjustable type wherein a split pin
could be removed and the slotted cap rotated for adjustment.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">After car C.#
157624 the tie rod ends were still B.S.F. but changed to a non-adjustable
type
wherein the threaded cap was locked by swaging and was not designed to be
adjusted.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">If the tie rod
ends that you are dealing with are unlike either of these then they are
almost
certainly not "original".<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">If your thread
count is 15 T.P.I. it is obviously neither of those and those tie rod ends
probably fall into the "cheapo repo" category and the thread could be
anything
that the manufacturer could find.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">M<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 10:52 AM Charles
Schott
<<a href="mailto:schottc@knology.net";
target="_blank">schottc@knology.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>The thread count appears to be 15 TPI. I have a 14 and a 16 TPI gage
and it's between those two. Since a 12M X 1.5 die runs all the way down the
threads, albeit loosely, and a 10M X 1.5 tap goes all the way through the
slotted nut, again very loose, I think that it's metric. The diameter
measures 10.97 MM with calipers and converted. I have not been able to find
a 11M X 1.5 nut, let alone a slotted one. I have three of them but need
three more.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Charlie </div>
<div><br></div>
<hr id="gmail-m_-9092671799143422630gmail-m_8727768328129599397zwchr">
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE:
normal"><b>From:
</b>"Harold Manifold" <<a href="mailto:manifold@telus.net";
target="_blank">manifold@telus.net</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Charles Schott"
<<a href="mailto:schottc@knology.net";
target="_blank">schottc@knology.net</a>>, "Michael Salter" <<a
href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";
target="_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"Healeys" <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, January
3, 2020 6:27:29 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>RE: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted
Nuts<br>
<div><br></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><span style="FONT-SIZE: small;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)">Charles,</span></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><span style="FONT-SIZE: small;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"></span></span> </div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span><span style="FONT-SIZE: small;
FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)">What is the thread per inch count
and the major thread diameter of the ball joint (measure with a vernier or
micrometer)?</span></span></div><br>
<div lang="en-us" dir="ltr" align="left">
<hr>
<span style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"><b>From:</b> Healeys
[mailto:<a href="mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net";
target="_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Charles Schott<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 03, 2020 3:36
PM<br><b>To:</b> Michael Salter<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys<br><b>Subject:</b>
Re:
[Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted Nuts<br></span><br></div>
<div></div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>My car is CE# 226706 and I have a limited set of BSF taps and dies and
none of them come close.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The 12M X 1.5 die goes loosely all the way down over the stud threads.
When I measure the diameter of the stud threads, they measure 10.97 mm. You
tell me what I have.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Charlie</div>
<div><br></div>
<hr id="gmail-m_-9092671799143422630gmail-m_8727768328129599397zwchr">
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY:
Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0); FONT-STYLE:
normal"><b>From:
</b>"Michael Salter" <<a href="mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com";
target="_blank">michaelsalter@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Charles Schott"
<<a href="mailto:schottc@knology.net";
target="_blank">schottc@knology.net</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"Michael MacLean"
<<a href="mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net";
target="_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>>, "Healeys" <<a
href="mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";
target="_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, January
3, 2020 3:32:01 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Tie Rod End Slotted
Nuts<br>
<div><br></div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">Charlie,
<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">If your car
is prior to C.E.#228931 the castellated nuts for the original side and
center rod ends will be part #2K3996 which I think is 7/16" BSF, (I don't
have one to hand to check) however many of these ball joints have
been
replaced with the later UNF style over the years and they use FNZ307 7/16"
UNF.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif">M<br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"><br></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="FONT-SIZE: small; FONT-FAMILY: comic sans
ms,sans-serif"><br></div></div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM Charles
Schott
<<a href="mailto:schottc@knology.net";
target="_blank">schottc@knology.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT:
rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div>
<div style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman,new
york,times,serif; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>I need three slotted nuts for the original tie rod ends on a BN1.
They appear to be metric 11M X 1.5 but I cannot find them. Does anyone
have them or know where I can get them? Thanks.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Charlie</div>
<div><br></div>
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