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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Not Healey, but Related British Car Stuff
From: Kees Oudesluijs <coudesluijs@chello.nl>
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 19:00:27 +0100
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If you are replacing the fuel pump go back to the original: SU AUF301 or 
the modern equivalent Burlen/SU AZX1308. These pumps deliver the correct 
flow and pressure (3,8psi). The AZX 1307 is often offered as a suitable 
replacement, it is NOT as the delivery pressure is too low at 2,7psi. 
The AUF 301 may be 303 or 305, there seems to be a few variations here, 
the difference is possibly in the fuel line connections.  You can go for 
one of the two electronic versions, one with a magnet, the other optical 
thus avoiding failure of the contact points. I would prefer the points 
type as there is always a possibility to repair it at the road side, 
being very simple in operation and the electronic versions may not have 
a fantastic reliability record or so it seems. The points type is very 
reliable under one condition: /regular use!! /

The best is an old properly rebuilt pump with the old 3-ply diaphragm.

Kees Oudesluijs



Op 12-1-2021 om 17:46 schreef Michael MacLean:
> The fuel pump is screwed to the floor just above the rear axle on the 
> side opposite the exhaust pipe.  The only part of the fuel feed system 
> near any heat is where the steel line enters the engine bay.  The fuel 
> pump itself is a square facet type.  It is larger physically than the 
> Facet in my Bugeye and appears to have been installed quite a while 
> ago by the looks of it.  After my inspection yesterday just to see 
> what kind of pump I had i started the car up for the first time since 
> going to In n Out a few days ago.  Immediately after startup it idled 
> a little over 500 rpm. Since I bought the car 7 months ago startup has 
> always been followed by an idle of 1000 rpm+. I attribute this high 
> idle to the Weber carb and the difficulty tweaking it with the correct 
> jets and adjustments.  I have put together a set of HS6 SU carbs to 
> replace the Weber.  I'm leaning toward a fuel pump failure so far.
> Mike MacLean
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>     On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:21 AM, john harper
>     <ah100tech@gmail.com> wrote:
>     Chris
>
>     I agree but there is still the problem with the pump and petrol
>     feed being close to the hot exhaust silencer and pipe.
>
>     I assume that this why the pipe was routed to the right-hand side
>     of the chassis on later 3000
>
>     Keep well
>
>     On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 12:41, Chris Dimmock
>
>         Is your fuel pump in the engine bay, or at the back, under the
>         guard, near the tank?
>         Pressurized fuel (where the pump is back near the tank) can
>         tolerate engine bay heat far better than non pressurized fuel.
>         As long as the pump isnâ??t heated, (next to e.g. the exhaust)
>         itâ??s good.
>         And as long as the fuel is pressurized in the fuel line, itâ??s
>         fine as well.
>         The problem is when you put the fuel pump in the engine bay,
>         and that means the fuel in the line before the pump isnâ??t
>         pressurized, and the pump is trying to cope with engine bay
>         temps..
>         and guess what!!!!
>         Bazinga!!
>         ð???
>
>         > On 12 Jan 2021, at 11:46 am, Michael MacLean
>
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    <p>If you are replacing the fuel pump go back to the original: SU
      AUF301 or the modern equivalent Burlen/SU AZX1308. These pumps
      deliver the correct flow and pressure (3,8psi). The AZX 1307 is
      often offered as a suitable replacement, it is NOT as the delivery
      pressure is too low at 2,7psi. The AUF 301 may be 303 or 305,
      there seems to be a few variations here, the difference is
      possibly in the fuel line connections.  You can go for one of the
      two electronic versions, one with a magnet, the other optical thus
      avoiding failure of the contact points. I would prefer the points
      type as there is always a possibility to repair it at the road
      side, being very simple in operation and the electronic versions
      may not have a fantastic reliability record or so it seems. The
      points type is very reliable under one condition: <i>regular
        use!! </i><br>
    </p>
    <p>The best is an old properly rebuilt pump with the old 3-ply
      diaphragm. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Kees Oudesluijs<br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Op 12-1-2021 om 17:46 schreef Michael
      MacLean:<br>
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      The fuel pump is screwed to the floor just above the rear axle on
      the side opposite the exhaust pipe.  The only part of the fuel
      feed system near any heat is where the steel line enters the
      engine bay.  The fuel pump itself is a square facet type.  It is
      larger physically than the Facet in my Bugeye and appears to have
      been installed quite a while ago by the looks of it.  After my
      inspection yesterday just to see what kind of pump I had i started
      the car up for the first time since going to In n Out a few days
      ago.  Immediately after startup it idled a little over 500 rpm. 
      Since I bought the car 7 months ago startup has always been
      followed by an idle of 1000 rpm+. I attribute this high idle to
      the Weber carb and the difficulty tweaking it with the correct
      jets and adjustments.  I have put together a set of HS6 SU carbs
      to replace the Weber.  I'm leaning toward a fuel pump failure so
      far.
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            <div>On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:21 AM, john harper</div>
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                  <div>I agree but there is still the problem with the
                    pump and petrol feed being close to the hot exhaust
                    silencer and pipe.</div>
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                  <div>I assume that this why the pipe was routed to the
                    right-hand side of the chassis on later 3000</div>
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                  <div>Keep well</div>
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                      Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 12:41, Chris Dimmock &lt;<a
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                    <div class="yiv6679904819yqt4771715286"
                      id="yiv6679904819yqtfd08912">Is your fuel pump in
                      the engine bay, or at the back, under the guard,
                      near the tank?<br clear="none">
                      Pressurized fuel (where the pump is back near the
                      tank) can tolerate engine bay heat far better than
                      non pressurized fuel. <br clear="none">
                      As long as the pump isnâ??t heated, (next to e.g.
                      the exhaust) itâ??s good. <br clear="none">
                      And as long as the fuel is pressurized in the fuel
                      line, itâ??s fine as well. <br clear="none">
                      The problem is when you put the fuel pump in the
                      engine bay, and that means the fuel in the line
                      before the pump isnâ??t pressurized, and the pump is
                      trying to cope with engine bay temps.. <br
                        clear="none">
                      and guess what!!!!<br clear="none">
                      Bazinga!!<br clear="none">
                      ð???<br clear="none">
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                      &gt; On 12 Jan 2021, at 11:46 am, Michael MacLean
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