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To: Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Book
From: Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2021 14:57:30 -0400
Cc: "healeys@autox.team.net" <healeys@autox.team.net>
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I had a 1974 Jaguar XJ6 with Lucas Opus ignition.  It failed within the
first 100 miles and gave constant trouble with numerous flatbed rides to
the dealer until I traded it in 1975 with less than 5000 miles on it.

M

On Tue., Jul. 6, 2021, 1:04 p.m. Bob Spidell, <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote:

> True dat. Electronic ignitions were still new age at that time; I had a
> '79 Subaru that had electronic points, which looked like a Pertronix
> module, and it went 175K miles with no ignition issues.
>
> On 7/6/2021 8:35 AM, Bob Haskell wrote:
> > Bob,
> >
> > Probably not too old school when the book was published in 1975.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Bob Haskell
> > Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
> >
> > On 7/6/21 10:47 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:
> >> Interesting that he doesn't believe in using fuses. Or electronic
> >> ignitions, which are in pretty much every car built today. Modern
> >> ECU/COP systems--with no moving parts--are vastly superior to points
> >> and distributors, but less fixable to us shadetree mechanics.
> >>
> >> To say he's 'Old School' would be an understatement.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/6/2021 6:40 AM, Bob Haskell wrote:
> >>> Prepare to Win, page 152 attached.  Part of the chapter on
> >>> Electrics, Instruments, Fuel Cells.  Doesn't like Lucas in general
> >>> and the master cutoff switches and distributors in particular.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Bob Haskell
> >>> Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar
> >>>
> >>> On 7/1/21 5:54 PM, Mark Donaldson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello, Sarah,
> >>>>
> >>>> I will try to find the page over the weekend.
> >>>>
> >>>> But Carroll said basically something like this: * =E2=80=9CLucas ele=
ctrics
> >>>> are NFG and I do not intended to discuss them any further=E2=80=9D.*
> >>>>
> >>>> I=E2=80=99ve had a quick look this morning but cannot find it.  I=E2=
=80=99ll have a
> >>>> better look over the weekend.  If I find it I=E2=80=99ll scan the pa=
ge and
> >>>> post it.
> >>>>
> >>>> To be honest, I=E2=80=99ve been using Lucas electrics for 50 years a=
nd I=E2=80=99ve
> >>>> had no problems that weren=E2=80=99t created by *ME*, taking them fo=
r
> >>>> granted.  And even then, they were minor.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> Ardmore, NZ
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:*S.Carr <britfan1@epix.net>
> >>>> *Sent:* Friday, 2 July 2021 2:29 a.m.
> >>>> *To:* David Lodge <emmgeeteesee@gmail.com>; healeys
> >>>> <healeys@autox.team.net>
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Book
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark =E2=80=93 Please tell us what the sentence said!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Sarah Carr
> >>>>
> >>>> BN1 in PA
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986> fo=
r
> >>>> Windows 10
> >>>>
> >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 30, 2021 8:08 PM
> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Book
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Smokey Yunick's book is pretty good, too (mostly for V8s, but
> >>>> plenty of good tips):
> >>>>
> >>>> https://hotrodenginetech.com/smokey-yunicks-power-secrets/
> >>>> <https://hotrodenginetech.com/smokey-yunicks-power-secrets/>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1/12/2021 8:11 PM, Mark Donaldson wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> A man after my own heart, Chris. =F0=9F=98=8A
> >>>>
> >>>>  And there are also the three wonderful books by the late, great,
> >>>> *Carroll Smith*  . . .  Prepare to Win, Tune to Win, and Engineer
> >>>> to Win.
> >>>>
> >>>> *There is a whole chapter on Lucas electrics in one other them.  It
> >>>> comprises just one sentence**.*=F0=9F=98=8A
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>>
> >>>> Ardmore, NZ
> >>>>
> >>>> *From:*Chris Dimmock <austin.healey@gmail.com>
> >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 January 2021 1:27 a.m.
> >>>> *To:* simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
t
> >
> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Book
> >>>>
> >>>> In the World of A Series engines, the =E2=80=9CBible=E2=80=9D is Viz=
ards book.
> >>>>
> >>>> =E2=80=9CTuning the A Series Engine=E2=80=9D
> >>>>
> >>>> I=E2=80=99d recommend it wholeheartedly because most of the principl=
es
> >>>> apply to B series and C Series BMC engines.
> >>>>
> >>>> I keep a copy beside my bed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mostly because I=E2=80=99m an insomniac.
> >>>>
> >>>> =F0=9F=98=82
> >>>>
> >>>> But also because when I have those things racing around in my mind
> >>>> at 3.00am, I can check the book....
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris
> >>>>
> >>>>     On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:13 pm, simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com
> >>>>
> >>>>     =EF=BB=BF
> >>>>
> >>>>     Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>>     Is there a book out there on rebuilding BMC C-Series engines?
> >>>>     Preferably, AH 3000 engines!
> >>>>
> >>>>     The book would hopefully show one what to look for, options
> >>>>     regarding performance parts and modifications that needed to be
> >>>>     done by specialists. ie, I don=E2=80=99t want to get near the en=
d of some
> >>>>     rebuild process and then be told that part number xyz needs to g=
o
> >>>>     off to the lab to be machined to the nearest nanowotsit and have
> >>>>     platinum inserts installed. If you see what I mean!
> >>>>
> >>>>     Maybe something one stage up from =E2=80=9CEngines for Dummies=
=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..
> >>>>
> >>>>     I have looked on Google and, so far, failed.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Yes, I=E2=80=99ve got the manuals.
> >>>>
> >>>>     Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>     Simon
> >>>>
> >>
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<div dir=3D"auto">I had a 1974 Jaguar XJ6 with Lucas Opus ignition.=C2=A0 I=
t failed within the first 100 miles and gave constant trouble with numerous=
 flatbed rides to the dealer until I traded it in 1975 with less than 5000 =
miles on it.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M</div></div><br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue., J=
ul. 6, 2021, 1:04 p.m. Bob Spidell, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.=
net">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmai=
l_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left=
:1ex">True dat. Electronic ignitions were still new age at that time; I had=
 a <br>
&#39;79 Subaru that had electronic points, which looked like a Pertronix <b=
r>
module, and it went 175K miles with no ignition issues.<br>
<br>
On 7/6/2021 8:35 AM, Bob Haskell wrote:<br>
&gt; Bob,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Probably not too old school when the book was published in 1975.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Bob Haskell<br>
&gt; Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 7/6/21 10:47 AM, Bob Spidell wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Interesting that he doesn&#39;t believe in using fuses. Or electro=
nic <br>
&gt;&gt; ignitions, which are in pretty much every car built today. Modern =
<br>
&gt;&gt; ECU/COP systems--with no moving parts--are vastly superior to poin=
ts <br>
&gt;&gt; and distributors, but less fixable to us shadetree mechanics.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; To say he&#39;s &#39;Old School&#39; would be an understatement.<b=
r>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 7/6/2021 6:40 AM, Bob Haskell wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Prepare to Win, page 152 attached.=C2=A0 Part of the chapter o=
n <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Electrics, Instruments, Fuel Cells.=C2=A0 Doesn&#39;t like Luc=
as in general <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; and the master cutoff switches and distributors in particular.=
<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Cheers,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Bob Haskell<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Austin Healey 3000 BN7/BT7 registrar<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; On 7/1/21 5:54 PM, Mark Donaldson wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Hello, Sarah,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I will try to find the page over the weekend.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; But Carroll said basically something like this: *=C2=A0=E2=
=80=9CLucas electrics <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; are NFG and I do not intended to discuss them any further=
=E2=80=9D.*<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I=E2=80=99ve had a quick look this morning but cannot find=
 it.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ll have a <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; better look over the weekend.=C2=A0 If I find it I=E2=80=
=99ll scan the page and <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; post it.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; To be honest, I=E2=80=99ve been using Lucas electrics for =
50 years and I=E2=80=99ve <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; had no problems that weren=E2=80=99t created by *ME*, taki=
ng them for <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; granted.=C2=A0 And even then, they were minor.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Best<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mark<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ardmore, NZ<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *From:*S.Carr &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:britfan1@epix.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">britfan1@epix.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Sent:* Friday, 2 July 2021 2:29 a.m.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *To:* David Lodge &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:emmgeeteesee@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">emmgeeteesee@gmail.com</a>&gt;; =
healeys <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Book<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mark =E2=80=93 Please tell us what the sentence said!!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Sarah Carr<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; BN1 in PA<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Sent from Mail &lt;<a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwl=
ink/?LinkId=3D550986" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https=
://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=3D550986</a>&gt; for <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Windows 10<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *From: *David Lodge via Healeys &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mail=
to:healeys@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@aut=
ox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Sent: *Wednesday, June 30, 2021 8:08 PM<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *To: *<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"=
_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a> &lt;mailto:<a href=3D=
"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healey=
s@autox.team.net</a>&gt;; Bob <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Spidell &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">bspidell@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Cc: *David Lodge &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:emmgeeteece=
e@yahoo.co.uk" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">emmgeeteecee@yahoo.co.u=
k</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Book<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Smokey Yunick&#39;s book is pretty good, too (mostly for V=
8s, but <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; plenty of good tips):<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://hotrodenginetech.com/smokey-yunicks-pow=
er-secrets/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://hotrod=
enginetech.com/smokey-yunicks-power-secrets/</a> <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"https://hotrodenginetech.com/smokey-yunicks=
-power-secrets/" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://ho=
trodenginetech.com/smokey-yunicks-power-secrets/</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; On 1/12/2021 8:11 PM, Mark Donaldson wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; A man after my own heart, Chris. =F0=9F=98=8A<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0And there are also the three wonderful books by the =
late, great, <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Carroll Smith*=C2=A0 . . .=C2=A0 Prepare to Win, Tune to =
Win, and Engineer <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; to Win.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *There is a whole chapter on Lucas electrics in one other =
them.=C2=A0 It <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; comprises just one sentence**.*=F0=9F=98=8A<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mark<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Ardmore, NZ<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *From:*Chris Dimmock &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:austin.healey@g=
mail.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">austin.healey@gmail.com</a>&=
gt; <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:austin.healey@gmail.com"; targ=
et=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">austin.healey@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Sent:* Wednesday, 13 January 2021 1:27 a.m.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *To:* <a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"=
 target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a>=
 <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus=
.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Cc:* Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net=
" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; &lt;m=
ailto:<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"no=
referrer">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; *Subject:* Re: [Healeys] Book<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; In the World of A Series engines, the =E2=80=9CBible=E2=80=
=9D is Vizards book.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =E2=80=9CTuning the A Series Engine=E2=80=9D<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I=E2=80=99d recommend it wholeheartedly because most of th=
e principles <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; apply to B series and C Series BMC engines.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; I keep a copy beside my bed.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Mostly because I=E2=80=99m an insomniac.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =F0=9F=98=82<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; But also because when I have those things racing around in=
 my mind <br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; at 3.00am, I can check the book....<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; Chris<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 On 11 Jan 2021, at 11:13 pm, <a href=3D=
"mailto:simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"norefer=
rer">simon.lachlan@alexarevel.plus.com</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 &lt;mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:simon.lach=
lan@alexarevel.plus.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">simon.lachlan=
@alexarevel.plus.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =EF=BB=BF<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Hi,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Is there a book out there on rebuilding=
 BMC C-Series engines?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Preferably, AH 3000 engines!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The book would hopefully show one what =
to look for, options<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 regarding performance parts and modific=
ations that needed to be<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 done by specialists. ie, I don=E2=80=99=
t want to get near the end of some<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 rebuild process and then be told that p=
art number xyz needs to go<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 off to the lab to be machined to the ne=
arest nanowotsit and have<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 platinum inserts installed. If you see =
what I mean!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Maybe something one stage up from =E2=
=80=9CEngines for Dummies=E2=80=9D=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I have looked on Google and, so far, fa=
iled.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yes, I=E2=80=99ve got the manuals.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Thanks,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Simon<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
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