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After/during a protracted battle with my clutch, I can confirm that it =
takes a lot of effort to move the fork by hand. A LOT. I used a lever =
and got virtually nowhere, but then, it seems, I=E2=80=99d been sold the =
wrong clutch cover.
What did impress me was the comparison between how hard/impossible it =
was to move by hand and how easy it was to get it to move with the pedal =
once the hydraulics were 100%.=20
Certainly, I=E2=80=99d want to convince myself that the hydraulics were =
100% before assuming that the disk was stuck.
Simon
=20
From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob Spidell =
via Healeys
Sent: 07 November 2021 03:56
To: healeys@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
=20
re: "Would this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel?"
I think if it was just the clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still get =
at least some movement of the pedal. Early cars used coil springs in the =
cover plate to hold the disk firm to the flywheel, and later cars used =
diaphragm 'springs.' I think with either you'd at least be able to move =
the pedal until the springs reached their limit of travel (or you left =
leg reached its limit of strength).=20
It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat for a long time it's =
conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or crystallized to the =
point it prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have had BF gell up). =
I'm not sure you can move the release bearing fork much by hand, though =
I haven't tried; those are some strong springs in the cover plate.
Bob
On 11/6/2021 7:52 PM, Don via Healeys wrote:
Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story about the fixes I=E2=80=99ve done =
so far . When I first got the car and I tried to push the clutch pedal =
it wouldn=E2=80=99t move. After removing the carbs , which I=E2=80=99m =
going to rebuild I was able to access the clutch master cylinder. After =
removing the lines to the master cylinder i was able to push the pedal =
to the floor . I=E2=80=99m replacing the lines to both the clutch and =
brake master cylinder. I=E2=80=99m replacing both master cylinders . =
I=E2=80=99m replacing the hydraulic fluid tank as it leaks. When I got =
under the car and looked at the clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m =
replacing I can=E2=80=99t move the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=99t budge it =
, I can=E2=80=99t move the piston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to finish =
rebuilding, replacing everything in both the clutch and brake hydraulics =
system. I=E2=80=99m just Puzzled as to why won=E2=80=99t move . Would =
this happen if the clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel? I may answer =
my own question the farther I get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want =
to need to replace the clutch. =20
Don=20
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, gradea1@charter.net =
=EF=BB=BFTwelve years could have built up some "goo" in the clutch =
master cylinder and prevent it from moving the piston. As Perry says, =
could also be the same issue in the slave. However, the clutch is =
hydraulic and the pedal does not move any mechanics (other than the =
piston rod) so it can't be mechanically hung up. The clutch disc is =
another issue which may show up later, and I would wonder if the brakes =
are functioning? Moisture really plays havoc with hydraulics especially =
if the car is not in a conditioned space.=20
=20
This is a good time to change all the fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or =
replace cylinders-fun stuff. Hank
-----------------------------------------
From: "Perry Small via Healeys"=20
To: "Don Day"
Cc: "healey list"
Sent: Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch plate
Don
Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin at the slave and see =
if the clutch pedal will move.
P
Sent from my iPhone
> On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via Healeys =
>
> =EF=BB=BFHi List
> If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey has been sitting for over 12 years , Allegedly =
in a garage and I=E2=80=99m thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to =
the flywheel, can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it be freed up .
> Thanks Don
>
>
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>After/during a protracted battle =
with my clutch, I can confirm that it takes a lot of effort to move the =
fork by hand. A LOT. I used a lever and got virtually nowhere, but then, =
it seems, I=E2=80=99d been sold the wrong clutch =
cover.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>What did impress me was the =
comparison between how hard/impossible it was to move by hand and how =
easy it was to get it to move with the pedal once the hydraulics were =
100%. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Certainly, I=E2=80=99d want to =
convince myself that the hydraulics were 100% before assuming that the =
disk was stuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Simon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><di=
v style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
lang=3DEN-US>From:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Healeys =
<healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bob Spidell =
via Healeys<br><b>Sent:</b> 07 November 2021 03:56<br><b>To:</b> =
healeys@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Clutch =
plate<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>re: "Would this happen if the clutch =
disc was stuck to the flywheel?"<br><br>I think if it was just the =
clutch disk stuck to flywheel you'd still get at least some movement of =
the pedal. Early cars used coil springs in the cover plate to hold the =
disk firm to the flywheel, and later cars used diaphragm 'springs.' I =
think with either you'd at least be able to move the pedal until the =
springs reached their limit of travel (or you left leg reached its limit =
of strength). <br><br>It's a long shot SWAG, but since the car has sat =
for a long time it's conceivable the fluid in the line has gelled and/or =
crystallized to the point it prevents flow to the slave cylinder (I have =
had BF gell up). I'm not sure you can move the release bearing fork much =
by hand, though I haven't tried; those are some strong springs in the =
cover plate.<br><br>Bob<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
11/6/2021 7:52 PM, Don via Healeys =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sorry I didn=E2=80=99t finish my story about the fixes =
I=E2=80=99ve done so far . When I first got the car and I tried to push =
the clutch pedal it wouldn=E2=80=99t move. After removing the =
carbs , which I=E2=80=99m going to rebuild I was able to access the =
clutch master cylinder. After removing the lines to the master cylinder =
i was able to push the pedal to the floor . I=E2=80=99m replacing the =
lines to both the clutch and brake master cylinder. I=E2=80=99m =
replacing both master cylinders . I=E2=80=99m replacing the hydraulic =
fluid tank as it leaks. When I got under the car and looked at the =
clutch slave cylinder, which I=E2=80=99m replacing I can=E2=80=99t move =
the clutch fork. I can=E2=80=99t budge it , I can=E2=80=99t move the =
piston rod . I=E2=80=99m going to finish rebuilding, replacing =
everything in both the clutch and brake hydraulics system. I=E2=80=99m =
just Puzzled as to why won=E2=80=99t move . Would this happen if the =
clutch disc was stuck to the flywheel? I may answer my own =
question the farther I get into the rebuild. I don=E2=80=99t want to =
need to replace the clutch. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'> =
Don <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent from =
my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On Nov 6, 2021, at 10:08 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:gradea1@charter.net";>gradea1@charter.net</a> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BFTwelve years could have built up some =
"goo" in the clutch master cylinder and prevent it from moving =
the piston. As Perry says, could also be the same issue in the slave. =
However, the clutch is hydraulic and the pedal does not move any =
mechanics (other than the piston rod) so it can't be mechanically hung =
up. The clutch disc is another issue which may show up later, and I =
would wonder if the brakes are functioning? Moisture really plays havoc =
with hydraulics especially if the car is not in a conditioned space. =
<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>This is a good time to change all the =
fluid, replace hoses, rebuild or replace cylinders-fun stuff. =
Hank<o:p></o:p></p><p>-----------------------------------------<o:p></o:p=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>From: "Perry Small via Healeys" =
<br>To: "Don Day"<br>Cc: "healey list"<br>Sent: =
Saturday November 6 2021 6:48:37PM<br>Subject: Re: [Healeys] Clutch =
plate<br><br>Don<br>Maybe the slave cylinder is locked up. Pull the pin =
at the slave and see if the clutch pedal will move.<br>P<br><br>Sent =
from my iPhone<br><br>> On Nov 6, 2021, at 7:36 PM, Don Day via =
Healeys <a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net";><healeys@autox.team.net></a>=
wrote:<br>><br>> =EF=BB=BFHi List<br>> If a 65 1/2 BJ8Healey =
has been sitting for over 12 years , Allegedly in a garage and =
I=E2=80=99m thinking the clutch plate could be stuck to the flywheel, =
can=E2=80=99t push clutch pedal in , can it be freed up .<br>> Thanks =
Don<br>><br>><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote></div></blockq=
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