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Good point. I had a very similar experience when I had mistakenly used
high heat silicone to seal the fuel tank sender, and I didn=E2=80=99t know =
that
fuel caused flakes of it to fall off and plug the pickup intermittently.
On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 4:38 AM, Michael Oritt <michael.oritt@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I had a similar miss that was caused by a leaf that had gotten into the
> tank. It would be pulled against the pickup by fuel flow and cause the
> engine to lose power on all cylinders, as opposed to a miss. When I eith=
er
> got off the gas pedal or shut the engine down the leaf would apparently
> fall away from the pickup and everything would be fine until the leaf was
> once again pulled against the pickup, etc. etc.
>
> I empirically came up with this theory after I pulled the fuel sender,
> searched around in the tank with a flashlight and found the leaf, and aft=
er
> I removed it the miss went away. How the leaf got into the tank when the
> fuel filler is inside the boot is a larger issue I never figured out.
>
> Best--Michael Oritt
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM Don Anglesey via Healeys <
> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> I suspect that when the tank is filled any sediment or debris around the
>> tank intake is redistributed thru the fuel then it settles again. Class=
ic
>> sign of bad fuel filter or sediment in tank.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From: *Michael Salter <michaelsalter@gmail.com>
>> *Sent: *Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:10 AM
>> *To: *Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
>> *Cc: *Healey list <healeys@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject: *Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire issue considerable
>> thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.
>>
>> I should like to point out however that it is the immediate vanishing o=
f
>> the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has me confused.
>>
>> This has happened three times simce the problem appeared.
>>
>> I just don't understand how an ignition problem could change as a result
>> of filling the tank.
>>
>> Furthermore I'm convinced that this is not a fuel starvation problem
>> because the amount of engine power being used has no effect.
>>
>> Totally baffled.
>>
>> Thanks again to all ... I'll report back.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via Healeys, <
>> healeys@autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John -
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry if it fell through
>> bad interpretation! As Ed McMahon used to say, "You Are Correct Sir!"
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper <ah100tech@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> Coils can fail with heat and then recover when cooled. I had one that ha=
d
>> these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that the insulating oil ha=
d
>> run out through a very small crack in the bottom of the case.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist <healey.nut@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Michael -
>>
>> Just as a follow up to my email since the symptoms seem to manifest
>> themself ...
>>
>> - whether the car is warmed up or not - this typically will exclude
>> anything related to fuel or the coil
>> - whether the car is under load or not - this typically will exclude
>> anything related to fuel
>> - whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically will exclude
>> anything related to fuel
>> - somewhat intermittent but systematically under all conditions -
>> suggests to me wiring / ground issues
>>
>> Given this I'd check (as a priority):
>>
>> - Battery Master (when these fail they will ground the coil)
>> - primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to coil (cycle the
>> connections)
>> - motor ground straps (cycle the connections)
>> - loose wires in the dizzy
>> - loose ignition wires into the dizzy or spark plug
>>
>> Other things to possibly do (as secondary):
>>
>> - replace rotor
>> - replace dizzy cap
>>
>> I don't think it would be contacts or condensor simply because this woul=
d
>> either be very regular all the time, or maybe sensitive to temp.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell <bspidell@comcast.net> wrote=
:
>>
>> re: "... I don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the distri=
butor
>> wire ..."
>>
>> It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the 'OFF' position it
>> grounds the coil primary so no spark.
>>
>> On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:
>>
>> Hi Michael -
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you tried cycling the connections on the white wire from the
>> ignition switch to the coil, and also from the coil to the distributor.
>>
>>
>>
>> You might also want to try disconnecting the black and white wire at the
>> coil from the battery master switch - if it=E2=80=99s failing you=E2=80=
=99ll get weird
>> symptoms like this. If that wire is disconnected the car should run no
>> problem. I don=E2=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the distr=
ibutor
>> wire, if it isn=E2=80=99t you=E2=80=99ll have to disconnect it from unde=
rneath the master
>> switch itself.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Good point.=C2=A0 I had a very similar experience when I =
had mistakenly used high heat silicone to seal the fuel tank sender, and I =
didn=E2=80=99t know that fuel caused flakes of it to fall off and plug the =
pickup intermittently.</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D=
"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, 30 Sep 2022 at 4:38 AM, Michael Oritt &l=
t;<a href=3D"mailto:michael.oritt@gmail.com";>michael.oritt@gmail.com</a>>=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I had a similar miss that was c=
aused by a leaf that had gotten into the tank.=C2=A0 It would be pulled aga=
inst the pickup by fuel flow and cause the engine to lose power on all cyli=
nders, as opposed to a miss.=C2=A0 When I either got off the gas pedal or s=
hut the engine down the leaf would apparently fall away from the pickup and=
everything would be fine until the leaf was once again pulled against the =
pickup, etc. etc.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3=
333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">I emp=
irically came up with this theory after I pulled the fuel sender, searched =
around in the tank with a flashlight and found the leaf, and after I remove=
d it the miss went away.=C2=A0 How the leaf got into the tank when the fuel=
filler is inside the boot is a larger issue I never figured out.</div><div=
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div><div class=3D"gm=
ail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff">Best--Michael Oritt</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"color:#3333ff"><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmai=
l_attr">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 11:01 AM Don Anglesey via Healeys <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.n=
et</a>> wrote:<br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div></div></blockquote></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I suspect that when the tank is filled any sediment =
or debris around the tank intake is redistributed thru the fuel then it set=
tles again.=C2=A0 Classic sign of bad fuel filter or sediment in tank.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Don</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sent from <a href=3D"https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink=
/?LinkId=3D550986" target=3D"_blank">
Mail</a> for Windows</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-=
top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"border:none;padding:0in"><b>From: </b><a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:michaelsalter@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">Michael Salter</a><=
br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, September 29, 2022 8:10 AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">Alan S=
eigrist</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">Heal=
ey list</a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Healeys] Austin Healey 100 Misfire Diagnosis.</p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks to all who have obviously given this misfire =
issue considerable thought. I will be sure to check all suggestions.=C2=A0<=
u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I=C2=A0 should like to point out however that it is =
the immediate vanishing of the misfire after filling the fuel tank that has=
me confused.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This has happened three times simce the problem appe=
ared.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I just don't understand how an ignition problem =
could change as a result of filling the tank.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Furthermore I'm convinced that this is not a fue=
l starvation problem because the amount of engine power being used has no e=
ffect.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Totally baffled.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks again to all ... I'll=C2=A0 report back.<=
u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu., Sep. 29, 2022, 9:14 a.m. Alan Seigrist via =
Healeys, <<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">he=
aleys@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi John -<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Yes, that was the point I was trying to make, sorry =
if it fell through bad interpretation!=C2=A0 As Ed McMahon used to say, &qu=
ot;You Are Correct Sir!"<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:53 PM john harper <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:ah100tech@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">ah100tech@gmail.com</a=
>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Coils can fail with heat and then recover when coole=
d. I had one that had these symptoms and when looking closely I saw that th=
e insulating oil had run out through a very small=C2=A0crack in the bottom =
of the case.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, 29 Sept 2022 at 10:34, Alan Seigrist <<a =
href=3D"mailto:healey.nut@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">healey.nut@gmail.com=
</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;b=
order-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4=
.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Michael -<br>
<br>
Just as a follow up to my email since the symptoms seem to manifest themsel=
f=C2=A0=C2=A0...=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the car is warmed up or not - this typically will exclude anything =
related to fuel or the coil<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the car is under load or not - this typically will exclude anything=
related to fuel<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
whether the choke is pulled or not - this typically will exclude anything r=
elated to fuel<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
somewhat intermittent but systematically under all conditions - suggests to=
me wiring / ground issues<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Given this I'd check (as a priority):<u></u><u><=
/u></p>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
Battery Master (when these fail they will ground the coil)<u></u><u></u></l=
i><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
primary ignition wire (white) from the switch to coil (cycle the connection=
s)<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
motor ground straps (cycle the connections)<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"=
MsoNormal">
loose wires in the dizzy<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
loose ignition=C2=A0wires into the dizzy or spark plug<u></u><u></u></li></=
ul>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Other things to possibly do (as secondary):<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<ul type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal">
replace rotor<u></u><u></u></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal">
replace dizzy cap<u></u><u></u></li></ul>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I don't think it would be contacts or condensor =
simply because this would either be very regular=C2=A0all the time, or mayb=
e sensitive to temp.<br>
<br>
Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:46 PM Bob Spidell <<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:bspidell@comcast.net"; target=3D"_blank">bspidell@comcast.net<=
/a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt">re: "... I don=E2=
=80=99t recall if that wire is separate from the distributor wire ..."=
<br>
<br>
It is (or should be). If the battery switch is in the 'OFF' positio=
n it grounds the coil primary so no spark.<br>
<br>
<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 9/28/2022 8:34 PM, Alan Seigrist wrote:<u></u><u>=
</u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Michael -<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have you tried cycling the connections on the white =
wire from the ignition switch to the coil, and also from the coil to the di=
stributor.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You might also want to try disconnecting the black a=
nd white wire at the coil from the battery master switch - if it=E2=80=99s =
failing you=E2=80=99ll get weird symptoms like this.=C2=A0 If that wire is =
disconnected the car should run no problem.=C2=A0 I don=E2=80=99t recall
if that wire is separate from the distributor wire, if it isn=E2=80=99t yo=
u=E2=80=99ll have to disconnect it from underneath the master switch itself=
.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Best,<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Alan<u></u><u></u></p>
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