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I had my stock radiator changed to a 4-row core. The top and bottom is =
large enough for that. The side rails need to be modified to accept the =
extra width but that is not hard to do. The temperature is 190 to 200 F. =
It will get hotter if stopped for a long period of time.

=20

John

=E2=80=9962 BT7

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of i erbs
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2025 6:33 AM
To: Richard Antal <rantal243@yahoo.com>
Cc: Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>; Michael Salter =
<michael.salter@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Yet another mystery

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The proper placement of the air deflectors. You said they might be =
wrong. My car runs hot too. New radiator, block flush. Electric push =
fan. Metal fan too

=20

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6

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On Fri, Oct 10, 2025, 10:26=E2=80=AFAM Richard Antal =

Sorry Ira. I don't understand your question. Photograph of what =
exactly?......r

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On Thursday, October 9, 2025 at 04:55:21 PM EDT, i erbs =

=20

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Do you have photo of the proper installation?

Thanks

=20

Ira Erbs
Milwaukie, OR
1959 Austin Healey 100-6

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On Fri, Oct 3, 2025, 2:54=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter =

I would also suggest that you take a careful look at the baffles that =
are, or should be, installed forward from the sides of the radiator to =
the grille. If these baffles aren't correctly fitted hot air from the =
backside of the radiator will swirl around to the front and pass through =
the radiator again and thus seriously deminish its cooling ability.

=20

M

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From: Healeys <healeys-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2025 6:45:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Yet another mystery=20

=20

Rich,=20

=20

Your comments "high speed. run of twenty miles" and "extra series of =
cooling tubes" may offer some clues. Fan blades flex away from the side =
that pushes air, in other words towards the radiator. The extra cooling =
tubes may have reduced the clearance between the radiator and the fan. =
There isn't much clearance to begin with. The combination of the two may =
have been enough for the fan to hit the radiator.

=20

The other issue is what caused the overheating. At high speeds the fan =
has little to no effect on cooling. Unless the ambient temperature was =
very high and you were going up a steep hill the colling system should =
keep up. What was the water temperature gauge saying?

=20

Harold

=20

=20

=20

On Thu, Oct 2, 2025 at 1:39=E2=80=AFPM Richard Antal via Healeys =

Listers,

    My BJ8 seems beleaguered with misfortune. A couple of weeks ago I =
noted the oil pressure gauge wildly oscillating at various speeds. It =
vanished two days later.

    Yesterday a high speed. run of twenty miles produce an overheating =
radiator with fluid spewing from the overflow tube. To my horror, I saw =
that the Texas cooler fan which I'd had for at least 25 years had =
confronted the engine side of the radiator leaving a distinct circular =
impression and abrasion to the tip of one of the fan blades. That =
radiator was rebuilt two years ago with an extra series of cooling tubes =
and had given no problems for at least 5000 miles. I assumed the harness =
which prevents the engine from sliding forward was faulty. Inspection of =
the underside did not support that conclusion--it looked fine to me: all =
bushings and nuts were in place. I ran the engine after filling the =
radiator and saw no evidence of recurrence of the fan nudging the =
radiator. I'm perplexed what to do next. Thanks for your thoughts......

Rich Antal

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class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I had my =
stock radiator changed to a 4-row core. The top and bottom is large =
enough for that. The side rails need to be modified to accept the extra =
width but that is not hard to do. The temperature is 190 to 200 F. It =
will get hotter if stopped for a long period of =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>John<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>=E2=80=9962 =
BT7<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 =
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span><=
/b><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> =
Healeys &lt;healeys-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of </b>i =
erbs<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 10, 2025 6:33 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Richard Antal &lt;rantal243@yahoo.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys =
&lt;healeys@autox.team.net&gt;; Michael Salter =
&lt;michael.salter@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Healeys] Yet =
another mystery<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The proper placement of the air deflectors. You said =
they might be wrong. My car runs hot too. New radiator, block flush. =
Electric push fan. Metal fan too<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ira Erbs<br>Milwaukie, OR<br>1959 Austin Healey =
100-6<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, Oct 10, 2025, 10:26<span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>=E2=80=AF</span>AM Richard =
Antal &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rantal243@yahoo.com";>rantal243@yahoo.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Sorry Ira. =
I don't understand your question. Photograph of what =
exactly?......r<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div =
id=3D"m_2330410091866299748ydpbebad3d4yahoo_quoted_0748103228"><div><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On =
Thursday, October 9, 2025 at 04:55:21 PM EDT, i erbs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:eyera3000@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">eyera3000@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><div =
id=3D"m_2330410091866299748ydpbebad3d4yiv8546086817"><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Do you =
have photo of the proper =
installation?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Thanks<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Ira =
Erbs<br>Milwaukie, OR<br>1959 Austin Healey =
100-6<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><div><div =
id=3D"m_2330410091866299748ydpbebad3d4yiv8546086817yqt28875"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On Fri, =
Oct 3, 2025, 2:54=E2=80=AFAM Michael Salter &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:michael.salter@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">michael.salter@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I would also suggest that you take a careful look at =
the baffles that are, or should be, installed forward from the sides of =
the radiator to the grille. If these baffles aren't correctly fitted hot =
air from the backside of the radiator will swirl around to the front and =
pass through the radiator again and thus seriously deminish its cooling =
ability.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>M<o:p></o:p></p></div><div =
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ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line"><div><p =
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ms-outlook-mobile-signature"><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div><div =
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divRplyFwdMsg"><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>F=
rom:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> =
Healeys &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; on behalf of =
Harold Manifold &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:manifold@telus.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">manifold@telus.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, =
October 2, 2025 6:45:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> Richard Antal &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rantal243@yahoo.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">rantal243@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Healeys =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
[Healeys] Yet another mystery</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp;<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Rich, =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Your =
comments &quot;high speed. run of twenty miles&quot; and &quot;extra =
series of cooling tubes&quot; may offer some clues. Fan blades flex away =
from the side that pushes air, in other words towards&nbsp;the radiator. =
The extra cooling tubes may have reduced the clearance between the =
radiator and the fan. There isn't much clearance to begin with. The =
combination of the two may have been enough for the fan to hit the =
radiator.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>The other =
issue is what caused the overheating. At high speeds the fan has little =
to no effect on cooling. Unless the ambient temperature&nbsp;was very =
high and you were going up a steep hill the colling system should keep =
up. What was the water temperature gauge =
saying?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Harold<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>On Thu, =
Oct 2, 2025 at 1:39=E2=80=AFPM Richard Antal via Healeys &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:healeys@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">healeys@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Listers,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; My BJ8 seems beleaguered with misfortune. A couple of weeks ago I =
noted the oil pressure gauge wildly oscillating at various speeds. It =
vanished two days later.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>&nbsp; =
&nbsp; Yesterday a high speed. run of twenty miles produce an =
overheating radiator with fluid spewing from the overflow tube. To my =
horror, I saw that the Texas cooler fan which I'd had for at least 25 =
years had confronted the engine side of the radiator leaving a distinct =
circular impression and abrasion to the tip of one of the fan blades. =
That radiator was rebuilt two years ago with an extra series of cooling =
tubes and had given no problems for at least 5000 miles. I assumed the =
harness which prevents the engine from sliding forward was faulty. =
Inspection of the underside did not support that conclusion--it looked =
fine to me: all bushings and nuts were in place. I ran the engine after =
filling the radiator and saw no evidence of recurrence of the fan =
nudging the radiator. I'm perplexed what to do next. Thanks for your =
thoughts......<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif'>Rich =
Antal<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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