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Re: FIA/FIM

To: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>, "Joe Amo"
Subject: Re: FIA/FIM
From: "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 10:56:47 -0700
Glen,
Absolutely. You guys do the best job along with USFRA. The thing that makes
FIA the most prestigious is that they have a set of unwavering standards
that must be met. If you can't meet the standards, you don't get the record.
That precludes the setting of FIA recognized world records at El Mirage,
Maxton, Edwards, etc. I think that is appropriate because they all have
different courses of different lengths.
A record is typically understood as performing against a standard.
Howard

PS: I did not realize that by defending Louise's efforts, I was going to
start another firestorm. I guess I'm good at that.


----- Original Message -----
From: "glen barrett" <speedtimer@charter.net>
To: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>; "Jonathan Amo"
<webmaster@landracing.com>
Cc: "dhaller" <dhaller@centurytel.net>; "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>; "Louise
Ann Noeth" <lanoeth@earthlink.net>; "landspeedracer"
<landspeedracer@msn.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: FIA/FIM


> Joe and list
> In the Last year there was a lot of discussion regarding the FIA and it's
> sanction of world speed records. As you all know the end result is a lot
of
> disappointed people waiting for a certificate of their hard earned
records.
> The lack of response from the FIA has most land speed racers looking at
> other venues to get their records at an international level.
>
> Anyone who has ever been to a event such as the 2001 world finals has seen
> what it takes to put on this event with all volunteers so the racer gets
his
> due rewards. The personnel from FIA this year have never been to a land
> speed event. The end of the year is almost here and we have not heard
> anything from them to verify the records set.
>
> The efforts by the SCTA and it's staff are the best in the world when it
> comes to land speed record racing be it the runs at speedweek or the world
> finals. The support in course preparation from USFRA and their help during
> our events deserve many thanks from all. The bottom line is, we don't, but
> should have the recognition as the land speed record experts of the world.
>
> Just my thoughts.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> Cc: "dhaller" <dhaller@centurytel.net>; "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>;
"Louise
> Ann Noeth" <lanoeth@earthlink.net>; "landspeedracer"
> <landspeedracer@msn.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:13 AM
> Subject: Re: FIA/FIM
>
>
> > I gotta give all the credit to SCTA/BNI!!!!!!!!!
> > I was blessed to run TWO WAY-OPPOSITE
> > DIRECTION-FIA SANCTIONED CLOCKS
> > (fia runs in minutes of mine) AND IN 2HR 20 MIN
> > (fim requires 2 hr turnarond for bikes, and we werent
> > trying to do that, the efficiency of the meet allowed that
> > to happen)
> > turnaround,  I feel really bad that I didnt pay thousands
> > of dollars, to have two fia reps who know nothing about
> > the class designations, nothing about the records being sought
> > in respective classes, and nothing about setting up the course,
> > nothing about setting up the clocks, nothing about if and or when
> > proof/certification of the runs would be obtainable.
> >
> > With that said, ask the guy with the fia record  40 mph slower
> > than ours,  who is the fastest one liter bike run two way, opposite
> > direction with FIA monitored/sanctioned clocks in roughly 2 hrs
> > turnaround
> >
> > AND WITH THAT SAID,  I still have respect for the FIA
> > FIM ( there unyielding class designations
> > there steadfast record book ,wherver it is) I still have a desire to run
> for FIM
> > sanctioning,
> > if and when it becomes practical
> >
> > REGARDLESS, the Team Amo motto lives on
> > "DEDICATED TO THE PURSUIT OF SPEED"
> > and that my friends is FUN, wherever those
> > speeds fall in the scheme of the world is all
> > in the eye of the beholder (s)
> >
> > Joe (still trying for the 3 run opposite direction record
> > to get Howards respect)   :)
> >
> >
> > Jonathan Amo wrote:
> >
> > > My take on FIA is the following. From everybody who has obtained an
FIA
> > > records. It has taken several years for them to get their records
> > > certificates. Why should it take this long? I know there is some
hassell
> > > somewhere, but an organization like that that has beena around for
> > > several years should have their stuff in line. People pay good hard
> > > earned money to compete with a FIA sanctioning and they should be at
> > > least rewarded with a quick turnaround in their investment, the
> > > certification.
> > > But Howard I see where you are coming from that if you establish an
FIA
> > > record it is the last word, but as In Joe Amo's case were he set the
> > > record at 223 mph in the 1 liter class, the same record in FIM is 180
> > > something, and also this was on a course that was sanctioned by the
FIA
> > > for record runs. It was two way average (225 mph & 221 mph).
> > > Not really a question of who holds the "World" record. IN MY OPINION.
> > >
> > > Jonathan Amo (who might have started all this the first time around
last
> > > year?)
> > >
> > > dhaller wrote:
> > >
> > > >Howard,
> > > >A year or so ago I brought up FIA and received the same warm welcome
> from
> > > >several on the list. I join you in your opinion, I respect that
> organization
> > > >and know the SCTA is the best on our national level joined of course
by
> that
> > > >great group who run the USFRA. MY OPINION ONLY which isn't worth much
> beyond
> > > >me anyway,
> > > >Dave Haller #93
> > > >----- Original Message -----

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