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Re: FIA/FIM

To: glen barrett <speedtimer@charter.net>
Subject: Re: FIA/FIM
From: Joe Amo <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:01:48 -0700
You ARE the landspeed experts of the world,
when it comes to world landspeed record
runs in the US, as evidenced by the FIA
recognition of YOUR clocks as the standard,
and YOUR course as acceptable, and YOUR
vehicles as meeting their class requirements,
did the FIA folks sanctioning the runs do anything
as simple and necessary as inspect the vehicles
or did they utilize SCTA inspector and their
inspections??  Your expertise was the foundation
of their sanctioning requirements.
If the FIA officials sanctioning the classes, course, clocks,
records and vehicles, had never been to an event and had
NO knowledge of what they were sanctioning, then it is
clear who the experts ARE.

When you run a meet with 2 way, opposite direction runs
with their people present with their stamp of approval on the
course, and clocks, then only the turnaround time is needed
to meet the FIA/FIM standard.  And with the meet efficiency
or international runs allowed by SCTA, this can and is met,
making only the monetary contribution to the FIA/FIM as
the difference.

Joe :)

glen barrett wrote:

> Joe and list
> In the Last year there was a lot of discussion regarding the FIA and it's
> sanction of world speed records. As you all know the end result is a lot of
> disappointed people waiting for a certificate of their hard earned records.
> The lack of response from the FIA has most land speed racers looking at
> other venues to get their records at an international level.
>
> Anyone who has ever been to a event such as the 2001 world finals has seen
> what it takes to put on this event with all volunteers so the racer gets his
> due rewards. The personnel from FIA this year have never been to a land
> speed event. The end of the year is almost here and we have not heard
> anything from them to verify the records set.
>
> The efforts by the SCTA and it's staff are the best in the world when it
> comes to land speed record racing be it the runs at speedweek or the world
> finals. The support in course preparation from USFRA and their help during
> our events deserve many thanks from all. The bottom line is, we don't, but
> should have the recognition as the land speed record experts of the world.
>
> Just my thoughts.
> Glen
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Amo" <jkamo@rapidnet.com>
> To: "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> Cc: "dhaller" <dhaller@centurytel.net>; "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>; "Louise
> Ann Noeth" <lanoeth@earthlink.net>; "landspeedracer"
> <landspeedracer@msn.com>; <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:13 AM
> Subject: Re: FIA/FIM
>
> > I gotta give all the credit to SCTA/BNI!!!!!!!!!
> > I was blessed to run TWO WAY-OPPOSITE
> > DIRECTION-FIA SANCTIONED CLOCKS
> > (fia runs in minutes of mine) AND IN 2HR 20 MIN
> > (fim requires 2 hr turnarond for bikes, and we werent
> > trying to do that, the efficiency of the meet allowed that
> > to happen)
> > turnaround,  I feel really bad that I didnt pay thousands
> > of dollars, to have two fia reps who know nothing about
> > the class designations, nothing about the records being sought
> > in respective classes, and nothing about setting up the course,
> > nothing about setting up the clocks, nothing about if and or when
> > proof/certification of the runs would be obtainable.
> >
> > With that said, ask the guy with the fia record  40 mph slower
> > than ours,  who is the fastest one liter bike run two way, opposite
> > direction with FIA monitored/sanctioned clocks in roughly 2 hrs
> > turnaround
> >
> > AND WITH THAT SAID,  I still have respect for the FIA
> > FIM ( there unyielding class designations
> > there steadfast record book ,wherver it is) I still have a desire to run
> for FIM
> > sanctioning,
> > if and when it becomes practical
> >
> > REGARDLESS, the Team Amo motto lives on
> > "DEDICATED TO THE PURSUIT OF SPEED"
> > and that my friends is FUN, wherever those
> > speeds fall in the scheme of the world is all
> > in the eye of the beholder (s)
> >
> > Joe (still trying for the 3 run opposite direction record
> > to get Howards respect)   :)
> >
> >
> > Jonathan Amo wrote:
> >
> > > My take on FIA is the following. From everybody who has obtained an FIA
> > > records. It has taken several years for them to get their records
> > > certificates. Why should it take this long? I know there is some hassell
> > > somewhere, but an organization like that that has beena around for
> > > several years should have their stuff in line. People pay good hard
> > > earned money to compete with a FIA sanctioning and they should be at
> > > least rewarded with a quick turnaround in their investment, the
> > > certification.
> > > But Howard I see where you are coming from that if you establish an FIA
> > > record it is the last word, but as In Joe Amo's case were he set the
> > > record at 223 mph in the 1 liter class, the same record in FIM is 180
> > > something, and also this was on a course that was sanctioned by the FIA
> > > for record runs. It was two way average (225 mph & 221 mph).
> > > Not really a question of who holds the "World" record. IN MY OPINION.
> > >
> > > Jonathan Amo (who might have started all this the first time around last
> > > year?)
> > >
> > > dhaller wrote:
> > >
> > > >Howard,
> > > >A year or so ago I brought up FIA and received the same warm welcome
> from
> > > >several on the list. I join you in your opinion, I respect that
> organization
> > > >and know the SCTA is the best on our national level joined of course by
> that
> > > >great group who run the USFRA. MY OPINION ONLY which isn't worth much
> beyond
> > > >me anyway,
> > > >Dave Haller #93
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Nafzger" <nafzger@vtc.net>
> > > >To: "Louise Ann Noeth" <lanoeth@earthlink.net>; "landspeedracer"
> > > ><landspeedracer@msn.com>; "Jonathan Amo" <webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > >Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > >Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:13 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: FIA/FIM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Louise,
> > > >>Once more I guess I'm out of step with the majority. From my
> perspective,
> > > >>the FIA records are the most significant. If it's an FIA record, it
> really
> > > >>is a world record. The others are not.  IN MY OPINION.
> > > >>Howard
> > > >>
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "Louise Ann Noeth" <lanoeth@earthlink.net>
> > > >>To: "landspeedracer" <landspeedracer@msn.com>; "Jonathan Amo"
> > > >><webmaster@landracing.com>
> > > >>Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
> > > >>Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 8:26 PM
> > > >>Subject: Re: FIA/FIM
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>>And why I am intent on improving the perspective.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Be Vigilant,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>"LandSpeed" Louise Ann Noeth
> > > >>>
> > > >>>LandSpeed Productions
> > > >>>Telling Stories with Words and Pictures
> > > >>>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > >>>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>This is probbly why most land speed racers don't give a flip about
> the
> > > >>>>FIA/FIM or their records.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>John Beckett

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