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Re: [Mgs] tappet question

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Subject: Re: [Mgs] tappet question
From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 10:21:40 +0100
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As said elsewhere TDC and BDC are not relevant, if you are referring to =
the piston.  If you look at the valve timing the inlet lobe is at its =
peak 70-odd degrees before BDC, and the exhaust valve is at it's peak =
about the same distance after BDC.  So the back of the lobes are under =
the followers 180 degrees from there, which is more than 70 degrees =
before TDC and after TDC respectively.

But it shouldn't make a difference, look at the cam profile, and the =
base circle should extend for significantly more than half way round the =
cam, in theory giving more than 180 of engine rotation where the =
clearance should be the same.

Note in theory, which is why I said it's one of the reasons why I find =
the position of greatest gap to adjust them, which on mine (and others I =
have done) can be several degrees either side of the strict RON point. =20

Also, whilst the dynamic forces on the piston etc. are slightly =
different on compression and expansion etc, statically TDC is directly =
above BDC, how could it be anything else?

PaulH.

  ----- Original Message -----=20


  Regarding Rule of Nine, I understand having 8 all the way up to set 1. =
But there is a significant rotation between "real close to the top" in =
front of, and after TDC. This can be seen with rotation the engine and =
seeing very little to no movement. Also, if I am not mistaken 8 TDC is =
not perfectly in line with BDC of 1; there is a bias. This means that =
when 8 is TDC, 1 is not absolutely BDC ready for measurement. So the =
question is, how do you ensure, with all of that slop, that you truly =
have BDC?

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>As said elsewhere TDC and BDC are not relevant, if =
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referring to the piston.&nbsp; If you look at the valve timing the inlet =
lobe is=20
at its peak 70-odd degrees before BDC, and the exhaust valve is at it's =
peak=20
about the same distance after BDC.&nbsp; So the back of the lobes are =
under the=20
followers 180 degrees from there, which is more than 70 degrees before =
TDC and=20
after TDC respectively.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>But it shouldn't make a difference, look at the cam =
profile,=20
and the base circle should extend for significantly more than half way =
round the=20
cam, in theory giving more than 180 of engine rotation where the =
clearance=20
should be the same.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Note in theory, which is why I said it's one of the =
reasons=20
why I find the position of greatest gap to adjust them, which on mine =
(and=20
others I have done) can be several degrees either&nbsp;side of the =
strict RON=20
point.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Also, whilst the dynamic forces on the piston etc. =
are=20
slightly different on compression and expansion etc, statically&nbsp;TDC =
is=20
directly above BDC, how could it be anything else?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp; </FONT>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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TDC. This can=20
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there is a=20
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