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As I push the pedal in and out there is no resistance and the slave =
moves in and out freely. (I thought at first I lost hydraulics)=20
It grinds in every gear like the clutch hasn=92t been pushed in.=20
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On Aug 24, 2015, at 3:25 AM, PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com> =
wrote:
> When it 'freezes' the pressure plate inside the cover plate (not the =
cover plate itself which is bolted to the flywheel) still moves, but the =
friction plate remains stuck to either the flywheel or the pressure =
plate.
> =20
> You said it was getting harder and harder to change, if it were frozen =
you wouldn't be able to select any gear at a standstill, and it would =
grind horribly in any unsynchronised gear. I've never heard of a clutch =
gradually freezing while still be able to use it.
> =20
> How much slave piston travel are you getting? The MGB for example =
needs about 1/2". That reduces as you get wear in the pedal to master =
linkage, and causes the biting point to move towards the floor. As you =
say air in the hydraulics causes the same thing. But if the pedal =
pushes the slave push-rod out a reasonable amount, and it goes back in =
when you release the pedal, that shows there is still pressure from the =
clutch springs acting through the release bearing and release arm as =
normal, which implies the clutch itself may be OK.
> =20
> Does it grind when trying to select an unsynchronised gear? If so =
then it is a clutch problem, but if not then it is a gear selection =
problem.
> =20
> PaulH.
> =20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Duvall via Mgs
> To: Jack Wheeler
> Cc: mgs@autox.team.net
> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2015 3:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mgs] clutch question
>=20
> I last drove it 4 weeks ago, could it freeze up that fast? If it =
were frozen, would that account for the not being able to move the =
clutch cover? I would think so. =20
>=20
> I was thinking the shaft bushings might be so worn, I=92m not getting =
the right leverage.=20
>=20
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> On Aug 23, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Jack Wheeler <jwheeler1947@yahoo.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>> If you are sure the release bearing is being pushed into the clutch =
pressure plate the normal distance (i.e. 1/2" or so), your clutch disc =
could be stuck to the flywheel? This sometimes happens when a car sits =
for a long time. If this is the problem, you can usually break it loose =
by putting the car on a flat paved surface, and put it in gear. While =
holding the clutch pedal all the way down to the floor, and your other =
foot on the brake pedal, start the car. A variation on this is to start =
the car in gear, then while cruising along, push the clutch pedal and =
break pedal both at once, as hard as you can push (for the brake pedal).
>>=20
>> Another technique is to hook a strong chain to a strong point on the =
frame of the MG, and get a big car (i.e. SUV) to tow it with. Again on =
a flat paved surface, put the car in gear and hold the clutch pedal all =
the way down, then start pulling. This will usually break it loose. =
Good luck.
>>=20
>> Jack Wheeler
>>=20
>> From: Mike Duvall via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
>> To: mgs@autox.team.net=20
>> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2015 5:45 PM
>> Subject: [Mgs] clutch question
>>=20
>> My MGA keeps getting harder and harder to shift. I was wondering if =
the synchronizers are going bad. Lately it seems like the clutch isn=92t =
disengaging like their was air in the lines but the hydraulics were =
fine. Then no clutch at all (sitting at home instead of the road =
thankfully) The slave appeared to be moving adequately so I pulled it =
off and I have all sorts of play in the arm. I put a wrench on the arm =
and it won=92t release the clutch. I can use a flashlight and see the =
throw out bearing move back and forth.
>>=20
>> I=92m assuming I have a bad bearing on the arm. Any other ideas or =
suggestions for me before I pull the engine?=20
>=20
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after-white-space;"><div><br></div><div>As I push the pedal in and out =
there is no resistance and the slave moves in and out freely. (I =
thought at first I lost hydraulics) </div><div><br></div><div>It =
grinds in every gear like the clutch hasn=92t been pushed =
in. </div><div><br></div><div> </div><div><br></div><br><div><di=
v>On Aug 24, 2015, at 3:25 AM, PaulHunt73 <<a =
href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@virginmedia.com";>paulhunt73@virginmedia.com</a>&=
gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: =
normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; =
word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space;"><div><font size=3D"2">When it 'freezes' the pressure =
plate inside the cover plate (not the cover plate itself which is bolted =
to the flywheel) still moves, but the friction plate remains stuck to =
either the flywheel or the pressure plate.</font></div><div><font =
size=3D"2"></font> </div><div><font size=3D"2">You said it was =
getting harder and harder to change, if it were frozen you wouldn't be =
able to select any gear at a standstill, and it would grind horribly in =
any unsynchronised gear. I've never heard of a clutch gradually =
freezing while still be able to use it.</font></div><div><font =
size=3D"2"></font> </div><div><font size=3D"2">How much slave =
piston travel are you getting? The MGB for example needs about =
1/2". That reduces as you get wear in the pedal to master linkage, =
and causes the biting point to move towards the floor. As you say =
air in the hydraulics causes the same thing. But if the pedal =
pushes the slave push-rod out a reasonable amount, and it goes back in =
when you release the pedal, that shows there is still pressure from the =
clutch springs acting through the release bearing and release arm as =
normal, which implies the clutch itself may be =
OK.</font></div><div><font size=3D"2"></font> </div><div><font =
size=3D"2">Does it grind when trying to select an unsynchronised =
gear? If so then it is a clutch problem, but if not then it is a =
gear selection problem.</font></div><div><font =
size=3D"2"></font> </div><div><font =
size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div><div><font =
size=3D"2"></font> </div><blockquote style=3D"border-left-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; =
padding-left: 5px; padding-right: 0px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: =
0px;"><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;">----- Original Message -----</div><div style=3D"font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; =
line-height: normal; font-family: arial; background-color: rgb(228, 228, =
228); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial =
initial;"><b>From:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"mgs@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>Mike =
Duvall via Mgs</a></div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: =
normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; =
font-family: arial;"><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"jwheeler1947@yahoo.com" =
href=3D"mailto:jwheeler1947@yahoo.com";>Jack Wheeler</a></div><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;"><b>Cc:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
title=3D"mgs@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a></div><div =
style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;"><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, August 24, 2015 =
3:09 AM</div><div style=3D"font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; =
font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-family: =
arial;"><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Mgs] clutch =
question</div><div><br></div><div>I last drove it 4 weeks ago, =
could it freeze up that fast? If it were frozen, would that =
account for the not being able to move the clutch cover? I would =
think so. </div><div><br></div><div>I was thinking the shaft =
bushings might be so worn, I=92m not getting the right =
leverage. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div><br></div><di=
v><br></div><div>On Aug 23, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Jack Wheeler <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jwheeler1947@yahoo.com";>jwheeler1947@yahoo.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"z-index: auto; position: static; =
background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: HelveticaNeue, =
'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; =
font-size: 16px;"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39759">If you =
are sure the release bearing is being pushed into the clutch pressure =
plate the normal distance (i.e. 1/2" or so), your clutch disc could be =
stuck to the flywheel? This sometimes happens when a car sits for =
a long time. If this is the problem, you can usually break it =
loose by putting the car on a flat paved surface, and put it in =
gear. While holding the clutch pedal all the way down to the =
floor, and your other foot on the brake pedal, start the car. A =
variation on this is to start the car in gear, then while cruising =
along, push the clutch pedal and break pedal both at once, as hard as =
you can push (for the brake pedal).</div><div><br></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39878">Another technique is to hook a =
strong chain to a strong point on the frame of the MG, and get a big car =
(i.e. SUV) to tow it with. Again on a flat paved surface, put the =
car in gear and hold the clutch pedal all the way down, then start =
pulling. This will usually break it loose. Good =
luck.<br></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39760"><br></div><div=
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39761">Jack Wheeler<br></div><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39328"><span></span></div><br><div =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39326" style=3D"font-family: =
HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', =
sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39325"=
style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, =
Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39324"><hr =
id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39327" size=3D"1"><font size=3D"2" =
face=3D"Arial"><b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
bold;">From:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mike Duvall via Mgs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b><span =
style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sunday, August 23, 2015 =
5:45 PM<br><b><span style=3D"font-weight: =
bold;">Subject:</span></b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Mgs] clutch =
question<br></font></div><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1440245068270_39763" =
class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>My MGA keeps getting harder and harder to =
shift. I was wondering if the synchronizers are going bad. =
Lately it seems like the clutch isn=92t disengaging like their was air =
in the lines but the hydraulics were fine. Then no clutch at all =
(sitting at home instead of the road thankfully) The slave =
appeared to be moving adequately so I pulled it off and I have all sorts =
of play in the arm. I put a wrench on the arm and it won=92t =
release the clutch. I can use a flashlight and see the throw out =
bearing move back and forth.<br><br>I=92m assuming I have a bad bearing =
on the arm. Any other ideas or suggestions for me before I pull =
the engine?<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br></div></div></div></div><=
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