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Subject: Re: [Mgs] [MG-MGB] Rough Running
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Dan,

Disconnect the hose at the brake booster, plug the hose & start the 
engine.  See if it runs better.

CR

On 9/5/2016 10:04 PM, Paul Root via Mgs wrote:
> I would say you remove the hose from the carb to the brake booster.
>
>
>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 4:00 PM, Dan DiBiase d_dibiase@yahoo.com 
>>
>>
>> Paul, the idea of brake fluid being pulled into the carb is 
>> interesting - how would I tell?
>>
>> I am running the automatic water choke on the Z-S carb. I do have a 
>> manual choke conversion kit I was thinking of installing.
>>
>> Thx, Dan
>>
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>> *Sent:*Monday, September 5, 2016 3:35 PM
>> *Subject:*Re: [MG-MGB] Rough Running
>>
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>>
>> My first thought is that the power brake diaphragm broke and you are 
>> sucking break fluid into the carb.
>>
>> Plugs look really rich.  Do you have a manual choke or the automatic 
>> water choke? That could be gummed up as well.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 5, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Dan DiBiased_dibiase@yahoo.com 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi - last year, my '76B (with '75 engine and single Z-S carb) died 
>>> while I was out driving and would not restart. Once back home, I 
>>> managed to get it to start but it runs very rough and
>>> generates some light smoke - not dense clouds, and not white (like 
>>> with a head gasket leak) but stinky none-the-less. I posted a video 
>>> here -
>>>
>>> http://s24.photobucket.com/user/ddibiase/media/1976%20MGB%20Engine%20Work/6C2F4746-A8C6-4D19-BA08-399597F43772_zpsvgtqyk59.mp4.html
>>>
>>> That gives a sense of idle roughness, if not the light smoke... The 
>>> tach is steady at idle.
>>>
>>> I've replaced spark plugs and distributor rotor, as well as cleaned 
>>> the contacts in the plug leads. Just installed a new electronic fuel 
>>> pump as the old one crapped out. Lines are clear
>>> and fuel filter fills nicely. Carb was rebuilt about 4 years ago and 
>>> before the car died on me last year, the car ran very well. I did 
>>> open it up to check the diaphragm and floats, they are fine
>>> and the carb was clean inside. Car has about gas, most from last 
>>> year but with 2 gallons from today added.
>>>
>>> I did not try to drive it as the brakes need to be bled....
>>>
>>> I've changed jobs recently and now have time to get this car back on 
>>> the road and need some help as to where to start....
>>>
>>> Thx,
>>>
>>> Dan D
>>> '76B, '65B
>>> Central NJ USA
>>>
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    <p>Dan,</p>
    <p>Disconnect the hose at the brake booster, plug the hose &amp;
      start the engine.  See if it runs better.</p>
    <p>CR<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/5/2016 10:04 PM, Paul Root via Mgs
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      I would say you remove the hose from the carb to the brake
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                        idea of brake fluid being pulled into the carb
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                        am running the automatic water choke on the Z-S
                        carb. I do have a manual choke conversion kit I
                        was thinking of installing.</div>
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                                  My first thought is that the power
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                                    style="line-height: 1.22em;">Plugs
                                    look really rich.  Do you have a
                                    manual choke or the automatic water
                                    choke? That could be gummed up as
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style="line-height: 1.22em;">Hi - last year, my '76B (with '75 engine
                                                      and single Z-S
                                                      carb) died while I
                                                      was out driving
                                                      and would not
                                                      restart. Once back
                                                      home, I managed to
                                                      get it to start
                                                      but it runs very
                                                      rough and</div>
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style="line-height: 1.22em;">generates some light smoke - not dense
                                                      clouds, and not
                                                      white (like with a
                                                      head gasket leak)
                                                      but stinky
                                                      none-the-less. I
                                                      posted a video
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style="line-height: 1.22em;">That gives a sense of idle roughness, if
                                                      not the light
                                                      smoke... The tach
                                                      is steady at idle.<span
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style="line-height: 1.22em;">I've replaced spark plugs and distributor
                                                      rotor, as well as
                                                      cleaned the
                                                      contacts in the
                                                      plug leads. Just
                                                      installed a new
                                                      electronic fuel
                                                      pump as the old
                                                      one crapped out.
                                                      Lines are clear</div>
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style="line-height: 1.22em;">and fuel filter fills nicely. Carb was
                                                      rebuilt about 4
                                                      years ago and
                                                      before the car
                                                      died on me last
                                                      year, the car ran
                                                      very well. I did
                                                      open it up to
                                                      check the
                                                      diaphragm and
                                                      floats, they are
                                                      fine</div>
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id="yiv6616135647yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1473084091522_31135"
style="line-height: 1.22em;">and the carb was clean inside. Car has
                                                      about gas, most
                                                      from last year but
                                                      with 2 gallons
                                                      from today added.</div>
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style="line-height: 1.22em;">I did not try to drive it as the brakes
                                                      need to be
                                                      bled....<br
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style="line-height: 1.22em;">I've changed jobs recently and now have
                                                      time to get this
                                                      car back on the
                                                      road and need some
                                                      help as to where
                                                      to start....</div>
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