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Quick correction, I should have written zero capacitance, not infinite.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 PM David F. Darby via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
wrote:
> Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know.
>
>
>
> DFD
>
>
>
> *From:* Mgs [mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Simon
> Matthews via Mgs
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:39 PM
> *To:* Max Heim
> *Cc:* MGS
> *Subject:* Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question
>
>
>
> Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed
> (shorted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite
> capacitance), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing
> across the points, leading to rough running.
>
>
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote=
:
>
> I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an
> explanation for an intermediate state.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
>
> mvheim@sonic.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Not true, Max. When the points open, the condenser discharges through th=
e
> coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the condenser the engine
> may not even start. Try it some time. :-)
>
> CR
>
> On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>
> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the
> points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Max Heim
>
> '66 MGB
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How
> old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas
> parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, until replace=
d
> with a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
>
> Ira Erbs
>
> Portland,OR
>
> _______ _______
> (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)
> (_________________________)
>
> BT7 engine and disk brakes
>
>
>
>
>
> 1967 MGB [image: Description: Image removed by sender. MG]
>
>
>
> A racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti
>
> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <
> mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
> I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
>
> for some confirmation (or not). The local Mom-without-Pop store put
>
> in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US=
)
>
> alcohol-free gas. I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
>
> compression engine) so I went to fill up. The pump with the alcohol-
>
> free gas was out of order! So I put in three gallons of regular 92
>
> octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot
>
> of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th. I continued
>
> driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it
>
> never did. I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never
>
> encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.
>
>
>
> The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems
>
> like pretty good evidence. Any other possibilities? Is there any option
>
> other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> David Breneman david_breneman@yahoo.com
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Quick correction, I should have written zero capacitance,=
not infinite.<div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div></div=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tu=
e, Jul 23, 2019, 1:18 PM David F. Darby via Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@a=
utox.team.net">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=
=3D"m_3523070692059051659WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;color:#1f497d">Thanks, Simon. That=E2=80=99s good to know.<u></u><u></u></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family=
:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">DFD<u></u>=
<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"m_3523070692059051659__=
MailEndCompose" rel=3D"noreferrer"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></span></a></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5p=
t;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:soli=
d #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif&q=
uot;">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tah=
oma","sans-serif""> Mgs [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounce=
s@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs-bounces@autox.te=
am.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Simon Matthews via Mgs<br><b>Sent:</b> Tues=
day, July 23, 2019 1:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Max Heim<br><b>Cc:</b> MGS<br><b>S=
ubject:</b> Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
>Condencers can fail in two ways, open and closed. If they fail closed (sho=
rted), you are not going anywhere, but if they fail open (infinite capacita=
nce), much of the energy in the spark can be lost through arcing across the=
points, leading to rough running.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Simon<u></u>=
<u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, 9:03 AM Max Heim via Mgs =
<<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferr=
er">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote st=
yle=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0p=
t;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">I underst=
and how it could make the car inoperable. I don=E2=80=99t see an explanatio=
n for an intermediate state.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">--<u></u><u></u></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Max Heim<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:mvheim@sonic.net"; target=3D"_blank" r=
el=3D"noreferrer">mvheim@sonic.net</a><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div>=
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal">On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:Charley38@twc.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Charley38@twc.=
com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0p=
t">Not true, Max.=C2=A0 When the points open, the condenser discharges thro=
ugh the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.=C2=A0 Without the condenser =
the engine may not even start.=C2=A0 Try it some time. <span class=3D"m_352=
3070692059051659m-8879707449479399274moz-smiley-s1">:-)</span><br><br>CR<u>=
</u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim v=
ia Mgs wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;=
margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class=3D"MsoNormal">How do bad condensers cause rou=
gh running? All they do is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are say=
ing the points are burnt. <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt">--<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Max Heim<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">'66 M=
GB<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0=
<u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><block=
quote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal">On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mg=
s@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</=
a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u=
></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">could also be a bad a=
condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. How old is the condenser? =
Even if newish, there are lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had t=
hree bad ones with similar results, until replaced with=C2=A0 a Distributor=
Doctor HD condenser.<br clear=3D"all"><u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><=
div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana&q=
uot;,"sans-serif"">Ira Erbs <u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana&qu=
ot;,"sans-serif"">Portland,OR<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=
_______ =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0_______<br>=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0 (______ \____1959 BN4____/ _______)<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0 (_________________________)</span><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;=
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font=
-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 BT7 engine and disk brakes<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Ve=
rdana","sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"=
Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Verdana","sans-serif"">1967 MGB =C2=A0<span style=3D"borde=
r:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><img border=3D"0" width=3D"100" heigh=
t=3D"100" id=3D"m_3523070692059051659Picture_x0020_1" src=3D"cid:~WRD000.jp=
g" alt=3D"Description: Image removed by sender. MG"></span><u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5p=
t;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:#333333">A=
racing car is an animal with a thousand adjustments. Mario Andretti</span>=
<span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-s=
erif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif=
"">Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words<u></u><u></=
u></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<=
u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019=
at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.ne=
t" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<u=
></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:s=
olid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right=
:0in"><div><div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
0.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I've neve=
r encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">for som=
e confirmation (or not).=C2=A0 The local Mom-without-Pop store put<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">in new pumps=
, and one of the things they're offering now is 92 octane (US)<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">alcohol-free=
gas.=C2=A0 I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">compression engine=
) so I went to fill up.=C2=A0 The pump with the alcohol-<u></u><u></u></spa=
n></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">free gas was out of or=
der!=C2=A0 So I put in three gallons of regular 92<span class=3D"m_35230706=
92059051659m-8879707449479399274apple-converted-space">=C2=A0</span><u></u>=
<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">octane, an=
d about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing a lot<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">of misfiring, most=
ly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.=C2=A0 I continued<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"m_3523070692059051659m=
-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">d=
riving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up and it</spa=
n></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",&q=
uot;sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span class=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-8879707449479399274gmail-m90752=
50362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Verdana","sans-serif"">never did.=C2=A0 I can't imag=
ine it's anything but the fuel, but I've never</span></span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif&q=
uot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span clas=
s=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819yd=
pd1457413st"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana"=
;,"sans-serif"">encountered "bad fuel" situation like t=
his in 44 years of driving.</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"m_35230706920590516=
59m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"=
">The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station seems</=
span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana"=
,"sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal"><span class=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-8879707449479399274gmail-m90=
75250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Verdana","sans-serif"">like pretty good evidence.=C2=
=A0 Any other possibilities?=C2=A0 Is there any option</span></span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif&q=
uot;"><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span clas=
s=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-8879707449479399274gmail-m9075250362783882819yd=
pd1457413st"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana"=
;,"sans-serif"">other than to just burn through this half tank of=
gas?</span></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdan=
a","sans-serif""><u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana&q=
uot;,"sans-serif""><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"m_3523070692059051659m-887970744947939927=
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