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Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question
From: Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:56:49 -0500
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Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges through 
the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the condenser the 
engine may not even start.  Try it some time. :-)

CR

On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent the 
> points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
>
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> Max Heim
> '66 MGB
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>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net 
>>
>> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational. 
>> How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots of crappy 
>> new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with similar results, 
>> until replaced with  a Distributor Doctor HD condenser.
>> Ira Erbs
>> Portland,OR
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>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs 
>>
>>     I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
>>     for some confirmation (or not).  The local Mom-without-Pop store put
>>     in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92
>>     octane (US)
>>     alcohol-free gas.  I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
>>     compression engine) so I went to fill up.  The pump with the alcohol-
>>     free gas was out of order!  So I put in three gallons of regular 92
>>     octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started experiencing
>>     a lot
>>     of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I continued
>>     driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear up
>>     and it
>>     never did.  I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but I've
>>     never
>>     encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.
>>
>>     The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the station
>>     seems
>>     like pretty good evidence.  Any other possibilities?  Is there
>>     any option
>>     other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?
>>
>>     Thanks!
>>
>>     David Brenemandavid_breneman@yahoo.com
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    Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges
    through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark.  Without the
    condenser the engine may not even start.  Try it some time. <span
      class="moz-smiley-s1"><span>:-)</span></span><br>
    <br>
    CR<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs
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      How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent
      the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
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            <div class="">On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs
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                -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">could also be
                a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not causational.
                How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are lots
                of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad
                ones with similar results, until replaced with  a
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019
                  at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs &lt;<a
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                        <div dir="ltr" class="">I've never encountered a
                          "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">for some confirmation
                          (or not).  The local Mom-without-Pop store put</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">in new pumps, and one of
                          the things they're offering now is 92 octane
                          (US)<br class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">alcohol-free gas.  I had
                          about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">compression engine) so I
                          went to fill up.  The pump with the alcohol-</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">free gas was out of
                          order!  So I put in three gallons of regular
                          92<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                            class="">
                        </div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">octane, and about 1/4
                          mile from the station started experiencing a
                          lot</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class="">of misfiring, mostly
                          when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I continued</div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><span
                              
class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                              like this for about 20 miles to see if it
                              would clear up and it</span></span></div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><span
                              
class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                              did.  I can't imagine it's anything but
                              the fuel, but I've never</span></span></div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><span
                              
class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                              "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years
                              of driving.</span></span></div>
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class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st"><br
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                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><span
                              
class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                              fact that it started about 1/4 mile after
                              leaving the station seems</span></span></div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><span
                              
class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                              pretty good evidence.  Any other
                              possibilities?  Is there any 
option</span></span></div>
                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><span
                              
class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other
                              than to just burn through this half tank
                              of gas?</span></span></div>
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                        <div dir="ltr" class=""><span class=""><span
                              
class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">Thanks! <span
                                
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