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To: Max Heim <mvheim@sonic.net>, MG List <mgs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Bad Fuel Question
From: Charley Robinson via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:15:51 -0500
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What do you mean by "intermediate state"?

CR

On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
> I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I donâ??t see an 
> explanation for an intermediate state.
>
> --
> Max Heim
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>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson <Charley38@twc.com 
>>
>> Not true, Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges 
>> through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. Without the 
>> condenser the engine may not even start. Try it some time. :-)
>>
>> CR
>>
>> On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max Heim via Mgs wrote:
>>> How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do is prevent 
>>> the points from burning. Oh, you are saying the points are burnt.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Max Heim
>>> '66 MGB
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i erbs via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net 
>>>>
>>>> could also be a bad a condenser. Could coincidental, not 
>>>> causational. How old is the condenser? Even if newish, there are 
>>>> lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I had three bad ones with 
>>>> similar results, until replaced with  a Distributor Doctor HD 
>>>> condenser.
>>>> Ira Erbs
>>>> Portland,OR
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> Please excuse random auto corrects and misspelled words
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>>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman via Mgs 
>>>>
>>>>     I've never encountered a "bad fuel" problem before, so I'm looking
>>>>     for some confirmation (or not).  The local Mom-without-Pop
>>>>     store put
>>>>     in new pumps, and one of the things they're offering now is 92
>>>>     octane (US)
>>>>     alcohol-free gas.  I had about a quarter tank in my MGA (w/MGB high
>>>>     compression engine) so I went to fill up.  The pump with the
>>>>     alcohol-
>>>>     free gas was out of order!  So I put in three gallons of regular 92
>>>>     octane, and about 1/4 mile from the station started
>>>>     experiencing a lot
>>>>     of misfiring, mostly when accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I continued
>>>>     driving like this for about 20 miles to see if it would clear
>>>>     up and it
>>>>     never did.  I can't imagine it's anything but the fuel, but
>>>>     I've never
>>>>     encountered "bad fuel" situation like this in 44 years of driving.
>>>>
>>>>     The fact that it started about 1/4 mile after leaving the
>>>>     station seems
>>>>     like pretty good evidence.  Any other possibilities?  Is there
>>>>     any option
>>>>     other than to just burn through this half tank of gas?
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>     David Brenemandavid_breneman@yahoo.com
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    What do you mean by "intermediate state"?<br>
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    CR<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/23/2019 11:03 AM, Max Heim via Mgs
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      I understand how it could make the car inoperable. I donâ??t see an
      explanation for an intermediate state.
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            <div class="">On Jul 23, 2019, at 6:53 AM, Charley Robinson
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              <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" class=""> Not true,
                Max.  When the points open, the condenser discharges
                through the coil in order to perpetuate the spark. 
                Without the condenser the engine may not even start. 
                Try it some time. <span class="moz-smiley-s1"><span
                    class="">:-)</span></span><br class="">
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                CR<br class="">
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                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/22/2019 1:18 PM, Max
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                  How do bad condensers cause rough running? All they do
                  is prevent the points from burning. Oh, you are saying
                  the points are burnt.
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                          <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;
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                          <div style="margin: 0px; font-size: 13px;"
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                        <div class="">On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:10 AM, i
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                            class="">could also be a bad a condenser.
                            Could coincidental, not causational. How old
                            is the condenser? Even if newish, there are
                            lots of crappy new Lucas parts out there. I
                            had three bad ones with similar results,
                            until replaced with  a Distributor Doctor HD
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                                                                  BT7
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                            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon,
                              Jul 22, 2019 at 10:36 AM David Breneman
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                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">I've never
                                      encountered a "bad fuel" problem
                                      before, so I'm looking</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">for some
                                      confirmation (or not).  The local
                                      Mom-without-Pop store put</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">in new
                                      pumps, and one of the things
                                      they're offering now is 92 octane
                                      (US)<br class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">alcohol-free
                                      gas.  I had about a quarter tank
                                      in my MGA (w/MGB high</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">compression
                                      engine) so I went to fill up.  The
                                      pump with the alcohol-</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">free gas was
                                      out of order!  So I put in three
                                      gallons of regular 92<span
                                        
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
                                        class="">
                                    </div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">octane, and
                                      about 1/4 mile from the station
                                      started experiencing a lot</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class="">of
                                      misfiring, mostly when
                                      accelerating in 3rd and 4th.  I
                                      continued</div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
                                        class=""><span
                                          
class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">driving
                                          like this for about 20 miles
                                          to see if it would clear up
                                          and it</span></span></div>
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class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">never
                                          did.  I can't imagine it's
                                          anything but the fuel, but
                                          I've never</span></span></div>
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class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">encountered
                                          "bad fuel" situation like this
                                          in 44 years of 
driving.</span></span></div>
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class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">The
                                          fact that it started about 1/4
                                          mile after leaving the station
                                          seems</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
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class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">like
                                          pretty good evidence.  Any
                                          other possibilities?  Is there
                                          any option</span></span></div>
                                    <div dir="ltr" class=""><span
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class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">other
                                          than to just burn through this
                                          half tank of gas?</span></span></div>
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class="gmail-m_9075250362783882819ydpd1457413st">Thanks! <span
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