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Yes it is a good value, but you need to measure the voltage at the =
starter battery cable terminal and body as well.
The starter is a bit chicken and egg. As less voltage reaches the =
starter from, say, poor connections the battery voltage will go up even =
though the cranking speed goes down, because the starter voltage has =
gone down. =20
If the circuit though the starter - which includes the solenoid on a =
pre-engaged is poor then voltage at the battery and the starter =
terminals will be good even though cranking speed is low.
If there is excessive mechanical load on the starter causing the slow =
cranking, then both battery and starter voltage will be lower even with =
a good battery.
And of course if the battery is weak then the voltage measured right on =
the battery posts will be low.
Geared starters are very good seemingly achieving the impossible of =
reducing battery drain whilst increasing cranking speeds and making =
starter easier, but are expensive.
A better bet is a modern non-geared starter which goes some way to =
achieving the benefits of a geared at a lighter weight and about half =
the price of an original. Moss Europe for example have the geared at =
=C2=A3223, the light-weight at =C2=A388, and the OE at =C2=A3130 plus =
=C2=A315 returnable surcharge on a rebuildable unit. The term =
'hi-torque' can be confusing, some suppliers apply that to the geared =
and some to the lightweight. The difference between the two is that in =
the geared the solenoid with its connections is in line with the output =
pinion and the motor is on the side, instead of being the other way =
round. Also the solenoid and the motor are very nearly the same sizes, =
again unlike the others. A drawback with the geared, and maybe the =
light-weight, is that they don't have the rubber bumper coil boost =
contact which aids starting. The geared may well not need it, and it =
can be replicated with an additional relay, or more easily with a =
split-charge relay with two output connections, or a diode if you know =
what you are doing.
PaulH.
----- Original Message -----=20
=20
I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It =
is on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Yes it is a good value, but you need to measure =
the=20
voltage at the starter battery cable terminal and body as =
well.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The starter is a bit chicken and egg. As less =
voltage=20
reaches the starter from, say, poor connections the battery voltage will =
go up=20
even though the cranking speed goes down, because the starter voltage =
has gone=20
down. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If the circuit though the starter - which includes =
the=20
solenoid on a pre-engaged is poor then voltage at the battery and the =
starter=20
terminals will be good even though cranking speed is =
low.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If there is excessive mechanical load on the starter =
causing=20
the slow cranking, then both battery and starter voltage will be lower =
even with=20
a good battery.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And of course if the battery is weak then the =
voltage measured=20
right on the battery posts will be low.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Geared starters are very good seemingly achieving =
the=20
impossible of reducing battery drain whilst increasing cranking =
speeds and=20
making starter easier, but are expensive.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>A better bet is a modern non-geared starter which =
goes some=20
way to achieving the benefits of a geared at a lighter weight and about =
half the=20
price of an original. Moss Europe for example have the geared at =
=C2=A3223, the=20
light-weight at =C2=A388, and the OE at =C2=A3130 plus =C2=A315 =
returnable surcharge on a=20
rebuildable unit. The term 'hi-torque' can be confusing, some =
suppliers apply that to the geared and some to the lightweight. =
The=20
difference between the two is that in the geared the solenoid with its=20
connections is in line with the output pinion and the motor is on =
the side,=20
instead of being the other way round. Also the solenoid and the =
motor are=20
very nearly the same sizes, again unlike the others. A =
drawback with=20
the geared, and maybe the light-weight, is that they don't have the =
rubber=20
bumper coil boost contact which aids starting. The geared may well =
not=20
need it, and it can be replicated with an additional relay, or more =
easily with=20
a split-charge relay with two output connections, or a diode if you =
know=20
what you are doing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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lang=3DEN-GB>I=20
measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is =
on a=20
digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good =
value.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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lang=3DEN-GB>The=20
same value is measured on the starter ingoing =
post.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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tension loss on the electrical circuits.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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