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Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas

To: Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
From: Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 17:48:07 -0500
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Hi Barrie,
   You are spot-on about new washing machines.  My sister has had three expe=
nsive washers in ten years, each beyond economical repair when it failed. By=
 contrast, my Maytag is now more than 30 years old.  They once advertised th=
at the loneliest man in town was the Maytag repair man. Not any longer....
   Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many i=
n the CT MG Club regard highly.  With sadness, the proprietor recommended a n=
ew unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less than his=
 repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available.=20
   Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparently there are no motors to be=
 had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, another Electrolux. Shop owner w=
as son of the shop founder. He advised to not expect 45 years of service fro=
m the new one.  Some might say that sucks.
Bob


> On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie Robinson <barrob@bell.net> wrote:
>=20
> Hello folks,
>=20
> I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new MG TD.   I f=
ind that Lucas bits are used on may cars inducing on my current 'in progress=
' chariot.    I am not sure 'new' things these days are as  good as 'old' on=
es  When I took in our clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I s=
hould buy a new one from them or recondition the old one.  The bloke took me=
 into the back repair area and said 'Look'.  It was filed with new machines a=
nd no old ones.  He said my 30 year old reconditioned washer would last anot=
her 30 years but a new one would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warrant=
y.  Remembering that our  'top of the line' German dish washer has had two s=
ervice calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.   A local bod, who=
 does nothing else but starters, alternators, generators, dissembled my sick=
 starter and generator in front of me and pointed out the parts that needed r=
eplacement. On picking the units up a few days latter I was faced with a tot=
al bill of C$150.    So I will always go with bods that do 'refurbishing' pr=
ovided they are a well established shop.   Using 'on line' outfits is a lott=
ery call but there some good guys out there.
>=20
> Now back to the program !
>=20
> Cheers
> Barrie
>=20
>> On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM, h.duinhoven@planet.nl wrote:
>> =20
>> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is o=
n a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
>> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>>=20
>> Now there is a discussion:
>> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>> High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy
>> Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00
>> New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00
>> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00
>> =20
>> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting=
-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
>> =20
>> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
>> =20
>> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator h=
as been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>> They did a good job.
>> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a=
 new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) o=
r have the original repaired=E2=80=A6
>> =20
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>> =20
>> Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>=20
>> Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
>> Aan: h.duinhoven@planet.nl
>> CC: 'mglist' <mgs@autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>> =20
>> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two volta=
ges together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the=
 voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when cra=
nking.  The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connecti=
ons, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
>> =20
>> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the probl=
em.
>> =20
>> PaulH.
>> =20
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> =20
>> Next job is the slow starter motor.
>> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to=
 chassis cable.
>> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>> Nothing helped so far.
>> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it w=
ill be o.k. as the battery is new.
>> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V t=
o the engine.
>> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is lo=
gical.
>> Nice winter job.
>> =20
>> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> Namens Dan DiBiase
>> Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
>> Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
>> CC: mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com>
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>> =20
>> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, no=
w!) advice..............................
>> =20
>> Dan D
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
>> =20
>> =20
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.co=
m> wrote:
>> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit o=
f hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel i=
nto jugs.
>> =20
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently retu=
rned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the=
 5 year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The c=
ar is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I f=
ill it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallo=
ns or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).=20
>> =20
>> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior o=
f the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain are=
a and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a c=
ouple more gallons before I fill it up.
>> =20
>> Thx,=20
>> =20
>> Dan D
>> '76B-  Getting There
>> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>> Central NJ USA
>> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi B=
arrie,</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;You are spot-on about new washing m=
achines. &nbsp;My sister has had three expensive washers in ten years, each b=
eyond economical repair when it failed. By contrast, my Maytag is now more t=
han 30 years old. &nbsp;They once advertised that the loneliest man in town w=
as the Maytag repair man. Not any longer....</div><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &n=
bsp;Two or three years ago I took my erratic alternator to a shop that many i=
n the CT MG Club regard highly. &nbsp;With sadness, the proprietor recommend=
ed a new unit that he said was not great, but that its cost would be less th=
an his repairing the old one with second-rate parts now available.&nbsp;</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">&nbsp; &nbsp;Similarly, the old Electrolux motor. Apparen=
tly there are no motors to be had, so I bought a new one vacuum cleaner, ano=
ther Electrolux. Shop owner was son of the shop founder. He advised to not e=
xpect 45 years of service from the new one. &nbsp;Some might say that sucks.=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">=
<br>On Nov 15, 2020, at 2:33 PM, Barrie Robinson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:barro=
b@bell.net">barrob@bell.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"=
cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">
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    <font size=3D"-1"><font face=3D"Arial">Hello folks,<br>
        <br>
        I have had a few MGs including my first car ever - a brand new
        MG TD.&nbsp;&nbsp; I find that Lucas bits are used on may cars induc=
ing on
        my current 'in progress' chariot.&nbsp; &nbsp; I am not sure 'new' t=
hings
        these days are as&nbsp; good as 'old' ones&nbsp; When I took in our
        clothes washer in to be fixed I asked the shop if I should buy a
        new one from them or recondition the old one.&nbsp; The bloke took m=
e
        into the back repair area and said 'Look'.&nbsp; It was filed with
        new machines and no old ones.&nbsp; He said my 30 year old
        reconditioned washer would last another 30 years but a new one
        would expire pretty soon after its 2 year warranty.&nbsp; Rememberin=
g
        that our&nbsp; 'top of the line' German dish washer has had two
        service calls in its two years I went with reconditioning.&nbsp;&nbs=
p; A
        local bod, who does nothing else but starters, alternators,
        generators, dissembled my sick starter and generator in front of
        me and pointed out the parts that needed replacement. On picking
        the units up a few days latter I was faced with a total bill of
        C$150.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So I will always go with bods that do 'refu=
rbishing'
        provided they are a well established shop.&nbsp;&nbsp; Using 'on lin=
e'
        outfits is a lottery call but there some good guys out there.<br>
        <br>
        Now back to the program !<br>
        <br>
        Cheers<br>
        Barrie<br>
      </font></font><br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 11/15/2020 8:47 AM,
      <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@plane=
t.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a> wrote:<br>
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        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the posts while
            cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder
            if that=E2=80=99s a good value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">The same value is measured on the starter
            ingoing post.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><br>
            Now there is a discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas (white
            labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/el=
ectrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">h=
ttps://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-sys=
tem-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/=
082.024" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/p=
art/26883/082.024</a>
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">There is a local electrical car parts repair
            shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years
            ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well, but
            what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152=
 or =E2=82=AC 135,00
            at octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB">Hans <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73
              <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@v=
irginmedia.com">&lt;paulhunt73@virginmedia.com&gt;</a> <br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"mail=
to:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br>
              <b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D=
"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>&lt;mgs@autox.team.net&gt;</a>;
              'MGB-Yahoo' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:=
mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com">&lt;mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com&gt;</a><br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
              Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,&nbs=
p;measure
                the voltage&nbsp;right on the battery posts (adding the two
                voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking,
                then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable
                stud on the solenoid&nbsp;and starter body when cranking.&nb=
sp;
                The difference between the two is what is being lost in
                the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
                be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you
                get much less than 10v at the battery posts then&nbsp;that&n=
bsp;is
                the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</=
span><o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
        </div>
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            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">-----
                Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#E4E4E4"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-langu=
age:EN-US" lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts clamps
              and the post of the battery to chassis cable.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine
              cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery voltage
              when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is
              new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage
              over the starter motor +12V to the engine.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it
              never was overhauled, this is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US" l=
ang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
          <div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
            1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs=
-bounces@autox.team.net" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net=
</a>&gt;
              <b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
              <b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br>
              <b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolind=
say@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br=
>
              <b>CC:</b> mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; mo=
z-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;;
              MGB-Yahoo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"; moz-do=
-not-send=3D"true">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>&gt;<br>
              <b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <p class=3D"MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied
              with this excellent (and obvious, now!)
              advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            </div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear=3D"all">
                <o:p></o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbin=
touch.com/" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://dandibiase.cbi=
ntouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
            </div>
          </div>
          <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
          <div>
            <div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM
                Richard Lindsay &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.=
com" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
            </div>
            <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
              1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0p=
t">
              <div>
                <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I
                  disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose
                  and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to
                  pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
              </div>
              <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
              <div>
                <div>
                  <p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan
                    DiBiase &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; tar=
get=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">dan.dibiase@gmail.com</a>&gt;
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
                </div>
                <blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
                  1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0p=
t">
                  <div>
                    <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all.... My '76B, which&nbsp;wa=
s
                      off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to
                      me from the shop. They added some new gas but did
                      not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just
                      under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
                      running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most
                      of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently
                      showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
                      gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
                      accuracy).&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was able to pump out about
                        2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
                        the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
                        hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
                        up any additional gas. Would really like to
                        remove a couple more gallons before I fill it
                        up.<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<o:p></o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'76B-&nbsp; Getting There<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></=
o:p></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class=3D"MsoNormal">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"=
>
                        <o:p></o:p></p>
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                          <div>
                            <p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://dandibi=
ase.cbintouch.com/" target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://dandib=
iase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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