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Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk

To: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk
From: Simon Matthews <simon.d.matthews@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 07:51:49 -0800
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Citroens of that era needed a loud warning, because the indicators were not
self-cancelling.

Simon

On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:10 AM <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> wrote:

> The early seventies Citro=C3=ABn 2CV had a very loud almost deafening cli=
ck
> sound. Nobody forgot to cancel the stalk.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Hans
>
> =E2=80=9971 BGT
>
>
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> *Namens *Michael MacLean
> *Verzonden:* zondag 3 januari 2021 23:59
> *Aan:* Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com>
> *CC:* Mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk
>
>
>
> The "beeper" is a great idea.
>
> Mike M
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert's New iPad <
> mgbobh@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
>    It is supposed to be self-cancelling, though that does require about
> 1/4 turn of the steering wheel to engage the cancelling mechanism.
>
>    If you remove the steering column cover, a bit of a trick in itself,
> you will see from the left the steering column.  On it should be a black
> spring clip that has a squared bump shape.  That bump should be on same
> plane as the =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on the turn signal =
control.  With
> wheels straight ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump should be
> mid-way between the two claws.
>
>    The way it is supposed to work is that when the turn lever is set for
> turns, the spring clip, as it swings around on the column, contacts one o=
f
> the C claws, dislodging it from where it is parked, and the system cancel=
s.
>
>    On most roads in CT, the radius of turns at intersections is great
> enough that the self-cancel does not engage.  I put an inexpensive beeper
> into the circuit at the flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are
> dim.
>
>   Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal indicators. Havin=
g
> bloodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs into the instruments, I
> will leave the signal indicators to some distant time in the future when =
I
> might have the dashboard out.
>
>   It=E2=80=99s my opinion that the easiest way to address your question i=
s to
> ensure that the cancelling device is set properly and to install a
> sound-making device/beeper, then to appreciate that our roads are wider a=
nd
> intersections built with greater radius than those in the UK when these
> cancelling devices were thought to be an improvement over the pneumatic,
> time-sensitive devices used in TDs, TFs and MGAs.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 3, 2021, at 3:24 PM, Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> Just wondering.  Is the turn signal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be
> self canceling? As it is right now, I have to remember to put it back in
> the middle position after making a turn.  This is something I am used to
> because my Bugeye has a three position switch on the dash that you have t=
o
> click back to the center position after making a turn.  On the Bugeye
> though, it's a little bit easier because there is a huge bright green lig=
ht
> right in front of your face on the dash.  In fact, you can't ignore it at
> night it is so bright blinking at you.  Not so with the MG.  The lights a=
re
> two little dim illuminated arrows.  While they are somewhat noticeable at
> night, you just don't notice these lights in the daytime.  Sorry, just
> sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain about=
.
>
> Mike MacLean
>
> 1969 MGB GT
>
> 1960 Bugeye
>
> 1956 Austin Healey BN2
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Citroens of that era needed a loud warning, because t=
he indicators were not self-cancelling. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Simon=
<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gm=
ail_attr">On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 1:10 AM &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@=
planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word;" =
lang=3D"NL"><div class=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703WordSection1"><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">The early seventies Citro=C3=ABn 2CV h=
ad a very loud almost deafening click sound. Nobody forgot to cancel the st=
alk.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><u=
></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Ch=
eers, Hans<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-=
GB">=E2=80=9971 BGT<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span la=
ng=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div style=3D"border-color=
:rgb(225,225,225) currentcolor currentcolor;border-style:solid none none;bo=
rder-width:1pt medium medium;padding:3pt 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b=
>Van:</b> Mgs &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_=
blank">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; <b>Namens </b>Michael MacLean<br>=
<b>Verzonden:</b> zondag 3 januari 2021 23:59<br><b>Aan:</b> Robert&#39;s N=
ew iPad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mgbobh@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>CC:</b> Mglist &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.n=
et" target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [=
Mgs] Turn Signal Stalk<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">The &quot;beeper=
&quot; is a great idea.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot=
;,serif">Mike M<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif"=
><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-53501704266=
88396703yahoo_quoted_0391157218"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(38,40,42)">On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 2:41:47 PM PST, Robert&#39;s New iP=
ad &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mgbobh@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">mgbobh@gmail.c=
om</a>&gt; wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><d=
iv><div id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv3136677636"><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Hi Mike,<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot=
;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is suppose=
d to be self-cancelling, though that does require about 1/4 turn of the ste=
ering wheel to engage the cancelling mechanism.<u></u><u></u></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0If you rem=
ove the steering column cover, a bit of a trick in itself, you will see fro=
m the left the steering column.=C2=A0 On it should be a black spring clip t=
hat has a squared bump shape.=C2=A0 That bump should be on same plane as th=
e =E2=80=9CC=E2=80=9D shaped plastic claws on the turn signal control.=C2=
=A0 With wheels straight ahead and the steering wheel centred, that bump sh=
ould be mid-way between the two claws.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0The way it is suppo=
sed to work is that when the turn lever is set for turns, the spring clip, =
as it swings around on the column, contacts one of the C claws, dislodging =
it from where it is parked, and the system cancels.<u></u><u></u></span></p=
></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 =C2=A0On mos=
t roads in CT, the radius of turns at intersections is great enough that th=
e self-cancel does not engage.=C2=A0 I put an inexpensive beeper into the c=
ircuit at the flasher unit, as the little indicator lights are dim.<u></u><=
u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size=
:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=
=A0 Some have fitted brighter LEDs in place of the signal indicators. Havin=
g bloodied myself sufficiently when installing LEDs into the instruments, I=
 will leave the signal indicators to some distant time in the future when I=
 might have the dashboard out. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvet=
ica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">=C2=A0 It=E2=80=99s my opinion th=
at the easiest way to address your question is to ensure that the cancellin=
g device is set properly and to install a sound-making device/beeper, then =
to appreciate that our roads are wider and intersections built with greater=
 radius than those in the UK when these cancelling devices were thought to =
be an improvement over the pneumatic, time-sensitive devices used in TDs, T=
Fs and MGAs.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:rgb(38,40,42)">Bob<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-se=
rif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p></div><div id=3D"gm=
ail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv3136677636yqt87853"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)"><br>On Jan 3, 2021, at =
3:24 PM, Michael MacLean &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; tar=
get=3D"_blank">rrengineer.mike@att.net</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">Just wondering.=C2=A0 Is the turn sig=
nal stalk on my 69 MGB GT supposed to be self canceling? As it is right now=
, I have to remember to put it back in the middle position after making a t=
urn.=C2=A0 This is something I am used to because my Bugeye has a three pos=
ition switch on the dash that you have to click back to the center position=
 after making a turn.=C2=A0 On the Bugeye though, it&#39;s a little bit eas=
ier because there is a huge bright green light right in front of your face =
on the dash.=C2=A0 In fact, you can&#39;t ignore it at night it is so brigh=
t blinking at you.=C2=A0 Not so with the MG.=C2=A0 The lights are two littl=
e dim illuminated arrows.=C2=A0 While they are somewhat noticeable at night=
, you just don&#39;t notice these lights in the daytime.=C2=A0 Sorry, just =
sitting around on a Sunday morning and needed something to complain about.<=
u></u><u></u></span></p><div id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv313667763=
6yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705432469"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb=
(38,40,42)">Mike MacLean<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-=
5350170426688396703yiv3136677636yMail_cursorElementTracker_1609705443149"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helve=
tica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">1969 MGB GT<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-5350170426688396703yiv3136677636yMail_cursorE=
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e:10pt;font-family:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">19=
60 Bugeye<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div id=3D"gmail-m_-535017042668839=
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ormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Helvetica&quot;,sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42)">1956 Austin Healey=
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