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Re: [Shop-talk] Plug for 14/2 solid wire?

To: Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Plug for 14/2 solid wire?
From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2019 16:39:08 -0500
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The code is not clear, i.e. it states a few things that can be =
interpreted as "no Romex in conduit" but doesn't explicitly forbid it. I =
also think it explicitly permits it when going from a protected area (my =
garage walls) to an unprotected area (the new junction box flush mounted =
to the ceiling).=20

Realistically, I'd worry more about heat buildup in an insulated wall =
that I would metal conduit in a garage in New England. I suppose some =
future yahoo could repurpose ths wiring to run something beyond spec, =
but as it'll be hardwired to the 11 watt lights I'm not concerned enough =
to buy individual wires to run through the conduit I am not sure I'll be =
buying yet :-)

jim

> On Nov 10, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> Jim - Here are two sample single gang timers.=20
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> =
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Defiant-15-Amp-In-Wall-3-Way-Daylight-Adjustin=
g-Digital-Timer-Switch-with-Screw-Terminals-White-32648/300524126
>=20
> =
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Honeywell-7-Day-Programmable-Timer-Switch-for-=
Lights-and-Motors-RPLS730B1000-U/206311889
>=20
> Also, you might want to check about Romex in conduit.  I don't think =
you can do that according to code, except for short sections open at =
both ends.  I think the issue is possible heat buildup and the thermal =
rating of the wire insulation.
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> Brian
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> On 11/10/2019 12:59 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote:
>> I should have prefaced that I know what "right" is, and it's just not =
gonna happen for various reasons. There will be proper boxes where the =
fixture wiring connects to the Romex, at least. It's the other end =
that's the issue.
>>=20
>> A quick Google doesn't find any direct-wire single-gang switches with =
built-in timers, which would be neat. Do you know of any? There's an =
ugly floodlight already switched that I'd like to remove, and if I can =
repurpose the wiring to that into a junction box with the new light =
wiring, and replace the switch with a timered switch, that would be =
quite close to "right".
>>=20
>> Heck, I might even get excited enough to buy some rigid conduit for =
the Romex instead of leaving it exposed :-)
>>=20
>> jim
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Nov 10, 2019, at 3:44 PM, Steven Trovato <strovato@optonline.net>
>>>  wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Jim,
>>>=20
>>> If these are regular wall mounted lights, they should be wired =
directly into a box.  You should add a line from power source to a =
switch and then to the lights.  All of this should be done within the =
walls, ceiling, etc of the building, or in conduit if mounted on the =
surface.  The switch you use can incorporate a timer if desired.  There =
should be no plugs involved, and no lamp cord.  Of course you can rig up =
anything you want and make the lights come on, but it won't be proper or =
safe like that.  Is this intended to be a permanent installation?  If it =
is, do it right.
>>>=20
>>> -Steve
>>>=20
>>> At 03:00 PM 11/10/2019, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> I'm addinng external carriage lights and have a 50' roll of 14/2 =
Romex I'd like to use up, not to mention 50' of 14/2 stranded is almost =
$1/ft.
>>>>=20
>>>> I'd like to have the lights on a timer. I have outlets in the =
garage, and I happen to have a mechanical timer that you'd use for a =
livingroom lamp, etc.
>>>>=20
>>>> Can I use a regular add-on plug that you'd normally use with =
stranded wire and just attach the Romex to it? Are there plugs made for =
solid wire?
>>>>=20
>>>> I could always use the Romex to extend the circuit to near the =
carriage lights and install an outlet for the timer and buy short lamp =
cord, but that means a trip to the store. That might turn out to be the =
most time/cost/safety efficient method, but if I don't have to get into =
the car AGAIN...
>>>>=20
>>>> thanks,
>>>> jim
>>>>=20
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