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I=E2=80=99ll do a drawing. Basically, instead of fixed stringers on the side=
s of the stairs, there is a piece on angle iron connecting the front edge of=
all the stair treads & another piece of angle connecting all the rear edges=
of the treads. These connections are not solid, but allow the treads to rot=
ate. The upper ends of the angles are likewise connected to a fixed landing e=
xtension of the upper deck. They are attached @ the same distance as the dep=
th of the treads. In my case there are wheels that allow the bottom of the s=
tairs to move around.=20
Picture to follow.=20
Pat Horne=20
We support Habitat for Humanity
> On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.t=
eam.net> wrote:
>=20
=EF=BB=BFThe image came through but I couldn't get enough from it to underst=
and how they work. I'd be interested in the design from an intellectual stan=
dpoint but having done a bit of reading on this now, it seems the amount of r=
ise from frost would cause minimal change in angle of the treads (code allow=
s for 1/4" per foot) and that using a regular wood stringer, attached by a h=
inge at the top, would be well within that threshold.
thanks,
jim
> On Apr 22, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Pat Horne <patintexas@icloud.com> wrote:
>=20
> Jim, I haves design that will work for your steps. I have a set of stairs t=
hat came from a local airport. They are the stairs that go from the jet way,=
right at the plane to the tarmac. They have to allow for different height p=
lanes while keeping the stair treads level. I=E2=80=99ll draw up a rough dra=
wing for you if you like. I=E2=80=99ll also attach a photo to this email but=
I think it will be stripped.=20
>=20
> Peace,
> Pat
>=20
> <image0.jpeg>
>=20
> Pat Horne=20
> We support Habitat for Humanity
>=20
>=20
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.=
team.net> wrote:
>>=20
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI found a "loophole" in the code. If the deck is freestanding and=
under 30" high, it doesn't need to be at the frost line. I found these anch=
ored surface footings that might do quite well:
>=20
> https://shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php
>=20
> The only issue is that the new deck with be 4 steps down from the one anch=
ored to the house, so the connection between the two needs to be fluid, whic=
h means one end of the stairs needs to float. I'm trying to come up with a d=
esign where the risers adjust as the lower deck rises and falls with frost, a=
nd the riser heights stay equidistant from each other, but I'm not getting t=
here. Maybe I build a ramp instead...
>=20
> jim
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:13 AM, Brian Kemp <bk13@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>=20
>> Try a search for "concrete trailer" or call some local concrete companies=
. If you can drive a pickup or SUV near the footings, one of these might be=
the way to go. An explanation is at https://www.sepulveda.com/product_fami=
lies/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.php=20
>>=20
>> Brian
>> -----Original Message-----=20
>> From: Jim Franklin via Shop-talk=20
>> Sent: Apr 16, 2020 7:44 PM=20
>> To: PJ McGarvey=20
>> Cc: Shop-talk=20
>> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks=20
>>=20
>> Yep, 18" is spot on per the beam and joist spacing, but the pre-cast foot=
er only comes in 22".=20
>>=20
>> Getting the concrete to the location will be difficult. The house is up a=
100' inclined driveway that won't support a full sized truck, and the then a=
nother 100' around back to the site. Even a pumper would need a lot of hose.=
Are there smaller/lighter site-mix trucks now? I suppose they could pump it=
to the top of the driveway and wheelbarrow it around back...
>>=20
>>> On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:15 PM, PJ McGarvey <pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com> wrot=
e:
>>>=20
>>> I doubt you'll need more than 18" diameter footings for a deck.=20
>>>=20
>>> In any case, I would pay a bit more for concrete delivery. I did this in=
November for a 16'x16' screened porch I'm almost finished with. For that di=
ameter and depth, that's alot of concrete to mix correctly. In an hour you c=
an have it delivered, poured, and save alot of hassle.=20
>>>=20
>>> From: Shop-talk <shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of Pat Horn=
e via Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:14 PM
>>> To: Jim Franklin <jamesf@groupwbench.org>
>>> Cc: Shop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks
>>> =20
>>> 24=E2=80=9D diameter hole is pretty large. I had 24=E2=80=9D piers drill=
ed by a company. They brought a large drill truck. I had 3 piers drilled 25=E2=
=80=99 deep, including bell bottoms. Cost was $800. Only reason I brought th=
is up is it might not be that much over the cost of the skid steer to have s=
omeone else drill them.=20
>>>=20
>>> Peace,
>>> Pat
>>>=20
>>> Pat Horne=20
>>> We support Habitat for Humanity
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk <shop-talk@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
>>> >=20
>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFHaving decided it's better to build a nice ornate deck out of P=
T than a small simple deck of of fancy materials, I'm looking at the foundat=
ion. Frost line here is 48" and I need 18" footings. I have found 3 options a=
nd I'm wondering if I missed anything:
>>>=20
>>> 1. Traditional concrete with forms and sonotubes
>>> 2. Pre-cast footings (22", 100 lbs) and stackable piers (EZ-Tube)
>>> 3. Helical piles=20
>>>=20
>>> I haven't heard back from the town on that last one and they're the pric=
iest at $275 per. The pre-cast are $150 per. Concrete will require hauling a=
bout 45,000 bags into the backyard.=20
>>>=20
>>> I'm leaning towards #2 . I don't own any yard equipment but I can rent a=
skid steer with auger, though not a 24" auger I don't think.
>>>=20
>>> thanks,
>>> jim
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99ll do a drawing. Basically, inste=
ad of fixed stringers on the sides of the stairs, there is a piece on angle i=
ron connecting the front edge of all the stair treads & another piece of=
angle connecting all the rear edges of the treads. These connections are no=
t solid, but allow the treads to rotate. The upper ends of the angles are li=
kewise connected to a fixed landing extension of the upper deck. They are at=
tached @ the same distance as the depth of the treads. In my case there are w=
heels that allow the bottom of the stairs to move around. <div><br></di=
v><div>Picture to follow. <br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Pat Horne <div>=
We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div><br></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><=
br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Apr 22, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Jim Franklin via S=
hop-talk <shop-talk@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><=
div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/h=
tml; charset=3Dutf-8">The image came through but I couldn't get enough from i=
t to understand how they work. I'd be interested in the design from an intel=
lectual standpoint but having done a bit of reading on this now, it seems th=
e amount of rise from frost would cause minimal change in angle of the tread=
s (code allows for 1/4" per foot) and that using a regular wood stringer, at=
tached by a hinge at the top, would be well within that threshold.<br class=3D=
""><div><br class=3D""></div><div>thanks,</div><div>jim</div><div><br class=3D=
""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 22, 2020, at 4=
:03 PM, Pat Horne <<a href=3D"mailto:patintexas@icloud.com"; class=3D"">pa=
tintexas@icloud.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newli=
ne"><div class=3D""><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; c=
harset=3Dutf-8" class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D"">Jim, I haves design t=
hat will work for your steps. I have a set of stairs that came from a local a=
irport. They are the stairs that go from the jet way, right at the plane to t=
he tarmac. They have to allow for different height planes while keeping the s=
tair treads level. I=E2=80=99ll draw up a rough drawing for you if you like.=
I=E2=80=99ll also attach a photo to this email but I think it will be strip=
ped. <div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Peace,</div><=
div class=3D"">Pat</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""=
><span id=3D"cid:F1E3008F-DFAB-48FD-8DFD-AA9A6720D9A3"><image0.jpeg></=
span><br class=3D""><br class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">Pat Horne&nbs=
p;<div class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity</div><div class=3D""><br c=
lass=3D""></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote=
type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Apr 22, 2020, at 2:46 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop=
-talk <<a href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">shop-talk@a=
utox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></blockquote></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" cont=
ent=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D"">I found a "loophole" in the co=
de. If the deck is freestanding and under 30" high, it doesn't need to be at=
the frost line. I found these anchored surface footings that might do quite=
well:<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><a href=3D"https:=
//shop.titanbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php" class=3D"">https://shop.tita=
nbuildingproducts.com/deck-foot.php</a></div></div></div></div></div></block=
quote><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto"=
class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div class=3D""><br c=
lass=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The only issue is that the new deck with be 4=
steps down from the one anchored to the house, so the connection between th=
e two needs to be fluid, which means one end of the stairs needs to float. I=
'm trying to come up with a design where the risers adjust as the lower deck=
rises and falls with frost, and the riser heights stay equidistant from eac=
h other, but I'm not getting there. Maybe I build a ramp instead...</div><di=
v class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">jim<br class=3D""><div cla=
ss=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">=
<br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Apr 2=
2, 2020, at 12:13 AM, Brian Kemp <<a href=3D"mailto:bk13@earthlink.net"; c=
lass=3D"">bk13@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-intercha=
nge-newline"><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0=
, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; le=
tter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: n=
one; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;=
text-decoration: none; font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, sans-serif;" cl=
ass=3D"">Try a search for "concrete trailer" or call some local concrete com=
panies. If you can drive a pickup or SUV near the footings, one of the=
se might be the way to go. An explanation is at<span class=3D"Apple-co=
nverted-space"> </span><a href=3D"https://www.sepulveda.com/product_fam=
ilies/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.php" class=3D"">https://www.sepulveda.co=
m/product_families/concrete_to_go/concrete_to_go.php</a><span class=3D"Apple=
-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" cl=
ass=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D"">Brian<b=
r class=3D""></div><blockquote style=3D"padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px;=
border-left-width: 2px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(0,=
0, 255); font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; fo=
nt-size: 10pt; font-family: arial, sans-serif;" class=3D"">-----Original Mes=
sage-----<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br
class=3D"">From:=
Jim Franklin via Shop-talk<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </spa=
n><shop-talk@autox.team.net class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent: Apr 16, 2020 7:4=
4 PM<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D"">To: PJ=
McGarvey<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><pj_mcgarvey@hot=
mail.com class=3D""><br class=3D"">Cc: Shop-talk<span class=3D"Apple-convert=
ed-space"> </span><shop-talk@autox.team.net class=3D""><br class=3D"">S=
ubject: Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks<span class=3D"Apple-con=
verted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Yep, 18" is spot on=
per the beam and joist spacing, but the pre-cast footer only comes in 22".&=
nbsp;<div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;"><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D=
"" style=3D"margin: 0px;">Getting the concrete to the location will be diffi=
cult. The house is up a 100' inclined driveway that won't support a full siz=
ed truck, and the then another 100' around back to the site. Even a pumper w=
ould need a lot of hose. Are there smaller/lighter site-mix trucks now? I su=
ppose they could pump it to the top of the driveway and wheelbarrow it aroun=
d back...<br class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px;" class=3D""><br class=3D"=
"><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;=
">On Apr 16, 2020, at 10:15 PM, PJ McGarvey <<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"mailto:pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com"; class=3D"">pj_mcgarvey@hotmail.com</a>> w=
rote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"" style=3D"=
margin: 0px;"><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0=
); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; lette=
r-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none=
; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; te=
xt-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:=
12pt;">I doubt you'll need more than 18" diameter footings for a deck. =
;</div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font=
-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spaci=
ng: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white=
-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-deco=
ration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"=
><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: norma=
l; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transfo=
rm: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width:=
0px; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; fo=
nt-size: 12pt;">In any case, I would pay a bit more for concrete delivery. I=
did this in November for a 16'x16' screened porch I'm almost finished with.=
For that diameter and depth, that's alot of concrete to mix correctly. In a=
n hour you can have it delivered, poured, and save alot of hassle. </di=
v><div id=3D"appendonsend" class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb=
(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font=
-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-ali=
gn: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word=
-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"></div=
><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style=
: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: no=
rmal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space=
: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration=
: none; font-family: Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br c=
lass=3D""></div><hr tabindex=3D"-1" class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0=
, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-vari=
ant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: s=
tart; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spac=
ing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; display: in=
line-block; width: 710.5px;"><span class=3D"" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0=
, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-vari=
ant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: s=
tart; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spac=
ing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none=
; display: inline !important;"></span><div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr" c=
lass=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helv=
etica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-=
weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px;=
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-=
stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font class=3D"" face=3D"Calibri,=
sans-serif" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><b class=3D"">From:</b><span class=3D=
"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shop-talk <<a target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:shop-talk-bounces@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">shop-talk-bounces@au=
tox.team.net</a>> on behalf of Pat Horne via Shop-talk <<a target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.t=
eam.net</a>><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span class=3D"Apple-co=
nverted-space"> </span>Thursday, April 16, 2020 7:14 PM<br class=3D""><=
b class=3D"">To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Jim Fra=
nklin <<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:jamesf@groupwbench.org"; class=3D=
"">jamesf@groupwbench.org</a>><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span c=
lass=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Shop-talk <<a target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">shop-talk@autox.team.=
net</a>><br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span class=3D"Apple-con=
verted-space"> </span>Re: [Shop-talk] Footings and piers for decks</fon=
t><div class=3D"" style=3D"margin: 0px;"> </div></div><div class=3D"Bod=
yFragment" style=3D"margin: 0px; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Hel=
vetica; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font=
-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px=
; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text=
-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><font class=3D"" size=3D"2"><spa=
n class=3D"" style=3D"font-size: 11pt;"><div class=3D"PlainText" style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0px;">24=E2=80=9D diameter hole is pretty large. I had 24=E2=80=9D pie=
rs drilled by a company. They brought a large drill truck. I had 3 piers dri=
lled 25=E2=80=99 deep, including bell bottoms. Cost was $800. Only reason I b=
rought this up is it might not be that much over the cost of the skid steer t=
o have someone else drill them.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> <=
/span><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Peace,<br class=3D"">Pat<br class=3D""><=
br class=3D"">Pat Horne<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b=
r class=3D"">We support Habitat for Humanity<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><b=
r class=3D"">> On Apr 16, 2020, at 1:13 PM, Jim Franklin via Shop-talk &l=
t;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:shop-talk@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">s=
hop-talk@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br class=3D"">><span class=3D"Appl=
e-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">=EF=BB=BFHavin=
g decided it's better to build a nice ornate deck out of PT than a small sim=
ple deck of of fancy materials, I'm looking at the foundation. Frost line he=
re is 48" and I need 18" footings. I have found 3 options and I'm wondering i=
f I missed anything:<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">1. Traditional concrete wi=
th forms and sonotubes<br class=3D"">2. Pre-cast footings (22", 100 lbs)&nbs=
p; and stackable piers (EZ-Tube)<br class=3D"">3. Helical piles<span class=3D=
"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">I haven't=
heard back from the town on that last one and they're the priciest at $275 p=
er. The pre-cast are $150 per. Concrete will require hauling about 45,000 ba=
gs into the backyard.<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><br c=
lass=3D""><br class=3D"">I'm leaning towards #2 . I don't own any yard equip=
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