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Re: [Spridgets] Tubular pushrods - Re: Head Stud Torque Setting

To: Ron Soave <soavero@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Tubular pushrods - Re: Head Stud Torque Setting
From: Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 22:23:22 +0000 (UTC)
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8000 rpm!=C2=A0 I'm guessing you have straps on your main caps and very goo=
d tri-metal bearings for the crank.=C2=A0 At that rpm my engine would proba=
bly come apart.=C2=A0 It does rev up to 6K quite readily as it has broken i=
n though.
Mike MacLean=C2=A0 =20


    On Saturday, November 28, 2015 12:09 PM, Ron Soave <soavero@yahoo.com> =
wrote:
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 Good call on the stock pushrods, Mike. Even with clearance-ing =C2=A0of ho=
les, there is no real reason to use tubular pushrods. I've had them bend ju=
st as readily as stock ones. I've had the same stock pushrods in my now 10+=
 year old race engine for seven years without any issues. The benefits of g=
ood oiling outweigh any marginal benefits the tubular ones offer. I assure =
you I am beating my motor harder than just about anyone on the list. Redlin=
e oil and proper clearances are key to extended life at 8000 RPM

Ron Soave
On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets@auto=
x.team.net> wrote:


I will check the rocker bushings, but there is only a few thousand miles on=
 the rocker assembly since the 1275 was built a few years ago.=C2=A0 They a=
re high ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don't think there is that much wear on t=
hem yet.=C2=A0 The very first time I put oil in the engine, the oil would f=
ill the valve cover before it would eventually drain down in the block.=C2=
=A0 When I built this engine I went kinda crazy trying to lighten the valve=
 train and installed hollow pushrods. Besides, they don't flex or bend.=C2=
=A0 The problem is the holes that the pushrods pass through were enlarged, =
but apparently not large enough for oil to easily pass by.Mike MacLean
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    On Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:01 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimpor=
t.com> wrote:
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  And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to feel if maybe those bushin=
gs are worn, which can be another reason the head gets flooded with oil
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 On 11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
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"Palm to forehead", =C2=A0why didn't I think of that? =C2=A0Thanks Peter fo=
r saving me all that work. Besides, I would have to figure out how my new e=
lectronic works. Mike MacLean=20
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 From: Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport.com>=20
 Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
 To: "rrengineer.mike" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, spridgets@autox.team.net=
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 Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
=20
 In those desperate times at a race, you loosen adjusting nuts and slide th=
e rocker to the side, unless you have solid spacers.
=20
 On 11/28/2015 11:27 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
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I am not pulling the head. I may be wrong, but I have to remove the head St=
ud nuts on the pedastals to lift the rocker assembly off the engine to repl=
ace the pushrods. =C2=A0I'm thinking the other stud nuts have to be loosene=
d also to re-torque the head properly. Is there another way to replace the =
pushrods without loosening all the head nuts in sequence? Mike MacLean=20
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 Date: 11/28/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
 To: spridgets@autox.team.net=20
 Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
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 Why pull the head at all?
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 World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
 2517 Seiferth Rd
 Madison=C2=A0 WI=C2=A0 53716
 (608)223-9400
 www.nosimport.com
 http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
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Peter Caldwell
World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
2517 Seiferth Rd
Madison  WI  53716
(608)223-9400
www.nosimport.com
http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts=20
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Peter Caldwell
World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
2517 Seiferth Rd
Madison  WI  53716
(608)223-9400
www.nosimport.com
http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts=20

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<html><head></head><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; f=
ont-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=
=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448748321585_21759" dir=3D"ltr">8000 rpm!&nbsp; I'm guess=
ing you have straps on your main caps and very good tri-metal bearings for =
the crank.&nbsp; At that rpm my engine would probably come apart.&nbsp; It =
does rev up to 6K quite readily as it has broken in though.<br></div><div i=
d=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448748321585_21760" dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean&nbsp; </div=
><div id=3D"yui_3_16_0_1_1448748321585_21810"><span></span></div> <br><div =
class=3D"qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display: block;" class=
=3D"yahoo_quoted"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, ti=
mes, serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, He=
lvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;=
"> <div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday, November =
28, 2015 12:09 PM, Ron Soave &lt;soavero@yahoo.com&gt; wrote:<br></font></d=
iv> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-le=
ft: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg=
_container"><div id=3D"yiv1866794657"><div><div>Good call on the stock push=
rods, Mike. Even with clearance-ing &nbsp;of holes, there is no real reason=
 to use tubular pushrods. I've had them bend just as readily as stock ones.=
 I've had the same stock pushrods in my now 10+ year old race engine for se=
ven years without any issues. The benefits of good oiling outweigh any marg=
inal benefits the tubular ones offer. I assure you I am beating my motor ha=
rder than just about anyone on the list. Redline oil and proper clearances =
are key to extended life at 8000 RPM<br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none">R=
on Soave</div><div class=3D"yiv1866794657yqt1259998570" id=3D"yiv1866794657=
yqt71265"><div><br clear=3D"none">On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Michael Mac=
Lean via Spridgets &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:spridgets@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox=
.team.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"><br cl=
ear=3D"none"></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;=
background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;f=
ont-size:16px;"><div dir=3D"ltr" id=3D"yiv1866794657yui_3_16_0_1_1448735926=
361_3088">I will check the rocker bushings, but there is only a few thousan=
d miles on the rocker assembly since the 1275 was built a few years ago.&nb=
sp; They are high ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don't think there is that much=
 wear on them yet.&nbsp; The very first time I put oil in the engine, the o=
il would fill the valve cover before it would eventually drain down in the =
block.&nbsp; When I built this engine I went kinda crazy trying to lighten =
the valve train and installed hollow pushrods. Besides, they don't flex or =
bend.&nbsp; The problem is the holes that the pushrods pass through were en=
larged, but apparently not large enough for oil to easily pass by.</div><di=
v dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br clear=3D"none"></div> <br clear=3D"none"><div=
 class=3D"yiv1866794657qtdSeparateBR"><br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"=
></div><div class=3D"yiv1866794657yahoo_quoted" style=3D"display:block;"> <=
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size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:01 AM, Peter C=
aldwell &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" ymailto=3D"mailto:peter@nosi=
mport.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com";>peter@nosi=
mport.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br clear=3D"none"></font></div> <blockquote style=
=3D"border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;margin-top:5px;p=
adding-left:5px;"> <br clear=3D"none"><br clear=3D"none"> <div class=3D"yiv=
1866794657y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv1866794657"><div>
    And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to feel if maybe those
    bushings are worn, which can be another reason the head gets flooded
    with oil<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rre=
ngineer.mike
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div><div><div>"Palm to forehead", &nbsp;why didn't I t=
hink of that? &nbsp;Thanks
        Peter for saving me all that work. Besides, I would have to
        figure out how my new electronic works.</div>
      <div>Mike MacLean</div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
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      From: Peter Caldwell <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv1=
866794657moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com"; targ=
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      Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00) <br clear=3D"none">
      To: "rrengineer.mike" <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv=
1866794657moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"=
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ike@att.net&gt;</a>,
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      Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      In those desperate times at a race, you loosen adjusting nuts and
      slide the rocker to the side, unless you have solid spacers.<br clear=
=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <div class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2015 11:27 AM,
        rrengineer.mike wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        </blockquote></div><div><div>I am not pulling the head. I may be wr=
ong, but I have to
          remove the head Stud nuts on the pedastals to lift the rocker
          assembly off the engine to replace the pushrods. &nbsp;I'm thinki=
ng
          the other stud nuts have to be loosened also to re-torque the
          head properly. Is there another way to replace the pushrods
          without loosening all the head nuts in sequence?</div>
        <div>Mike MacLean</div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
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          <div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757;">Sent via the Samsung
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        -------- Original message --------<br clear=3D"none">
        From: Peter Caldwell via Spridgets <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rec=
t" class=3D"yiv1866794657moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets=
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        Date: 11/28/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-08:00) <br clear=3D"none">
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        <br clear=3D"none">
        Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting <br clear=3D"none=
">
        <br clear=3D"none">
        Why pull the head at all?<br clear=3D"none">
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(608)223-9400
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