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To: Michael MacLean <rrengineer.mike@att.net>
Subject: [Spridgets] Tubular pushrods - Re: Head Stud Torque Setting
From: Ron Soave via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 14:09:36 -0600
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Good call on the stock pushrods, Mike. Even with clearance-ing  of holes, th=
ere is no real reason to use tubular pushrods. I've had them bend just as re=
adily as stock ones. I've had the same stock pushrods in my now 10+ year old=
 race engine for seven years without any issues. The benefits of good oiling=
 outweigh any marginal benefits the tubular ones offer. I assure you I am be=
ating my motor harder than just about anyone on the list. Redline oil and pr=
oper clearances are key to extended life at 8000 RPM

Ron Soave

> On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:47 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets <spridgets@aut=
ox.team.net> wrote:
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> I will check the rocker bushings, but there is only a few thousand miles o=
n the rocker assembly since the 1275 was built a few years ago.  They are hi=
gh ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don't think there is that much wear on them ye=
t.  The very first time I put oil in the engine, the oil would fill the valv=
e cover before it would eventually drain down in the block.  When I built th=
is engine I went kinda crazy trying to lighten the valve train and installed=
 hollow pushrods. Besides, they don't flex or bend.  The problem is the hole=
s that the pushrods pass through were enlarged, but apparently not large eno=
ugh for oil to easily pass by.
> Mike MacLean
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:01 AM, Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport.c=
om> wrote:
>=20
>=20
> And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to feel if maybe those bushing=
s are worn, which can be another reason the head gets flooded with oil
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>> On 11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
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> "Palm to forehead",  why didn't I think of that?  Thanks Peter for saving m=
e all that work. Besides, I would have to figure out how my new electronic w=
orks.
> Mike MacLean
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>=20
>=20
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>=20
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Peter Caldwell <peter@nosimport.com>=20
> Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
> To: "rrengineer.mike" <rrengineer.mike@att.net>, spridgets@autox.team.net=20=

> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
>=20
> In those desperate times at a race, you loosen adjusting nuts and slide th=
e rocker to the side, unless you have solid spacers.
>=20
>> On 11/28/2015 11:27 AM, rrengineer.mike wrote:
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> I am not pulling the head. I may be wrong, but I have to remove the head S=
tud nuts on the pedastals to lift the rocker assembly off the engine to repl=
ace the pushrods.  I'm thinking the other stud nuts have to be loosened also=
 to re-torque the head properly. Is there another way to replace the pushrod=
s without loosening all the head nuts in sequence?
> Mike MacLean
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>=20
>=20
> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>=20
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Peter Caldwell via Spridgets <spridgets@autox.team.net>=20
> Date: 11/28/2015 6:30 AM (GMT-08:00)=20
> To: spridgets@autox.team.net=20
> Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting=20
>=20
> Why pull the head at all?
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> Peter Caldwell
> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
> 2517 Seiferth Rd
> Madison  WI  53716
> (608)223-9400
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> Peter Caldwell
> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
> 2517 Seiferth Rd
> Madison  WI  53716
> (608)223-9400
> www.nosimport.com
> http://stores.ebay.com/worldwideimportautoparts
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> Peter Caldwell
> World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
> 2517 Seiferth Rd
> Madison  WI  53716
> (608)223-9400
> www.nosimport.com
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>Good call on the stock pushrods, Mike.=
 Even with clearance-ing &nbsp;of holes, there is no real reason to use tubu=
lar pushrods. I've had them bend just as readily as stock ones. I've had the=
 same stock pushrods in my now 10+ year old race engine for seven years with=
out any issues. The benefits of good oiling outweigh any marginal benefits t=
he tubular ones offer. I assure you I am beating my motor harder than just a=
bout anyone on the list. Redline oil and proper clearances are key to extend=
ed life at 8000 RPM<br><br>Ron Soave</div><div><br>On Nov 28, 2015, at 12:47=
 PM, Michael MacLean via Spridgets &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spridgets@autox.tea=
m.net">spridgets@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=
=3D"cite"><div><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:=
times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:16px"><div id=3D"yui_3_16_=
0_1_1448735926361_3088" dir=3D"ltr">I will check the rocker bushings, but th=
ere is only a few thousand miles on the rocker assembly since the 1275 was b=
uilt a few years ago.&nbsp; They are high ratio (1.5) rockers, but I don't t=
hink there is that much wear on them yet.&nbsp; The very first time I put oi=
l in the engine, the oil would fill the valve cover before it would eventual=
ly drain down in the block.&nbsp; When I built this engine I went kinda craz=
y trying to lighten the valve train and installed hollow pushrods. Besides, t=
hey don't flex or bend.&nbsp; The problem is the holes that the pushrods pas=
s through were enlarged, but apparently not large enough for oil to easily p=
ass by.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Mike MacLean<br></div> <br><div class=3D"qtdSe=
parateBR"><br><br></div><div style=3D"display: block;" class=3D"yahoo_quoted=
"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-=
size: 16px;"> <div style=3D"font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helv=
etica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"=
><font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> On Saturday, November 28, 2015 10:01 AM, P=
eter Caldwell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com";>peter@nosimport.com=
</a>&gt; wrote:<br></font></div> <blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid=
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br><br> <div class=3D"y_msg_container"><div id=3D"yiv9217965588"><div>
    And while loose, you can wiggle the rockers to feel if maybe those
    bushings are worn, which can be another reason the head gets flooded
    with oil<br clear=3D"none">
    <br clear=3D"none">
    <div class=3D"yiv9217965588moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2015 11:53 AM, rren=
gineer.mike
      wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
    </div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      </blockquote></div><div><div>"Palm to forehead", &nbsp;why didn't I th=
ink of that? &nbsp;Thanks
        Peter for saving me all that work. Besides, I would have to
        figure out how my new electronic works.</div>
      <div>Mike MacLean</div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <div><br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
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        <div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757;">Sent via the Samsung
          GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&amp;T 4G LTE smartphone</div>
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      -------- Original message --------<br clear=3D"none">
      From: Peter Caldwell <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv92=
17965588moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:peter@nosimport.com"; target=
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      Date: 11/28/2015 9:38 AM (GMT-08:00) <br clear=3D"none">
      To: "rrengineer.mike" <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect" class=3D"yiv9=
217965588moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:rrengineer.mike@att.net"; t=
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      Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting <br clear=3D"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      In those desperate times at a race, you loosen adjusting nuts and
      slide the rocker to the side, unless you have solid spacers.<br clear=3D=
"none">
      <br clear=3D"none">
      <div class=3D"yiv9217965588moz-cite-prefix">On 11/28/2015 11:27 AM,
        rrengineer.mike wrote:<br clear=3D"none">
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite">
        </blockquote></div><div><div>I am not pulling the head. I may be wro=
ng, but I have to
          remove the head Stud nuts on the pedastals to lift the rocker
          assembly off the engine to replace the pushrods. &nbsp;I'm thinkin=
g
          the other stud nuts have to be loosened also to re-torque the
          head properly. Is there another way to replace the pushrods
          without loosening all the head nuts in sequence?</div>
        <div>Mike MacLean</div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div><br clear=3D"none">
        </div>
        <div id=3D"yiv9217965588composer_signature">
          <div style=3D"font-size:85%;color:#575757;">Sent via the Samsung
            GALAXY S=C2=AE 5, an AT&amp;T 4G LTE smartphone</div>
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        -------- Original message --------<br clear=3D"none">
        From: Peter Caldwell via Spridgets <a rel=3D"nofollow" shape=3D"rect=
" class=3D"yiv9217965588moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" ymailto=3D"mailto:spridgets@a=
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t;spridgets@autox.team.net&gt;</a>
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        Subject: Re: [Spridgets] Head Stud Torque Setting <br clear=3D"none"=
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        <br clear=3D"none">
        Why pull the head at all?<br clear=3D"none">
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Peter Caldwell
World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
2517 Seiferth Rd
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World Wide Auto Parts of Madison WI
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