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Re: Solid motor mounts

To: Larry Paulick <larry.p@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Solid motor mounts
From: sosnaenergyconsulting <sosnaenergyconsulting@cox.net>
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 20:51:10 -0700
Hi Larry:
No, definitely no problems.  It was mostly just curiosity.  I once saw a 
Datsun 240Z with a supercharged 350 chevy motor.  The owner indicated 
that he had installed some chassis modifications to keep the car from 
twisting like a pretzel.

It seems that torsional stiffness is something that is regularly 
mentioned in the newer car magazines (ie 'this years model has 30% more 
stiffness, etc.) and that's with 35 years of structural improvements 
over our cars.  Made me wonder just how much behind we really are.  Of 
course as I write this I think about the Morgans which I gather USED the 
chassis flex as part rough road absorption system. Anyway, since our 
cars don't have a welded hardtop and convertibles are notorious for 
flexing, I wondered what I could do to stiffen the chassis without 
installing a roll cage.  Does it need to be stiffer for day to day use? 
Probably not, but when I run out of other projects, it might be worth 
getting into.

Of course if I ever get to something like Tim Ronak's level of power, it 
sounds like I might need to look into it :-)

Thanks for the input, Larry, and I'll be interested in seeing what Tim 
decides to do for his car.

Regards

David

Larry Paulick wrote:

> Dave, weld the seams in the car where there are only spot welds, and 
> after that, start with tubing, i.e. roll cage.  But are you having a 
> problem now?
> 
> Larry
> 
> sosnaenergyconsulting wrote:
> 
> 
>>Hi all:
>>Short of a cage (for us street-only types that want to be stealthy) is 
>>there anything that can be done on the chassis plane itself (example: 
>>adding subframe connectors to the Mustang Fox platform) to create 
>>additional torsional stiffness?
>>
>>Regards.
>>
>>David (sometimes stealthy)Sosna
>>
>>Bob Palmer wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>>Henry, Tim,
>>>
>>>My thoughts on this are that the steady-state torque on the chassis is the
>>>same and symmetric, whether you use solid or soft mounts, but the momentary
>>>torque will be much higher (e.g., when you shift gears) with solid mounts. I
>>>agree with Tim that a through-bolt or equivalent to limit extension of both
>>>motor mounts is the best solution. Anything you can do to stiffen the
>>>chassis is still a good idea, with or without solid mounts.
>>>
>>>Bob Palmer
>>>rpalmer@ucsd.edu
>>>robertpalmer@paulhastings.com
>>>rpalmerbob@adelphia.net

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