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Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel

To: "William Lau" <mrlau@charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Hydrogen fuel
From: "Owain Lloyd" <owain.lloyd@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:19:46 +0100
it is possible that its still more efficient and its likely to be more
environmentally friendly but even if its neither, at some point it
will become more economically viable.   there is only so much oil
left...

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 5:09 PM, William Lau <mrlau@charter.net> wrote:
> I don't agree.  A BTU is a BTU and you lose quite a bit any time you change
>  the form.  If electricity were used it may as well go straight to the car.
>  The biggest problem with that is where the used batteries are going every 5
>  years. NIMBY.  --Bill --
>
>
>  indeed, but that may be considered worth while if that energy is
>  produced in a central location and using an environmentally efficient
>  means.   this loss can also be recouped if the new engine is more
>  efficient than a traditional petrol engine.
>
>  On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 4:58 PM, William Lau <mrlau@charter.net> wrote:
>  > What isn't mentioned is that it takes more energy to get the hydrogen than
>  >  you get. -- Bill --
>  >
>  >  Not that far off the mark. The use of water for hydrolysis requires
>  >  reasonably high purity, and preferably a bit of H2SO4 to help the
>  >  conductivity along. If you just used tap water, you'd be descaling your
>  >  hydrolysis equipment pretty often. So you have to buy your fuel-water
>  >  over the counter.
>  >
>  >  The reason that ethanol-from-corn was touted in the US as the answer to
>  >  cheap fuel, was that corn was relatively cheap. Now that a significant
>  >  fraction of corn production is going into ethanol plants instead of
>  >  being exported as food, the price of corn has gone up to the point where
>  >  people can't afford to buy it to eat.
>  >
>  >  Theo
>  >
>  >  i wouldn't normally bring it up, but what a stupid comment by the
>  >  presenter with the shaky grasp of economics right at the end:  'lets
>  >  hope water prices don't go up'.
>  >
>  >  hmm....
>
>
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