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Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

To: "'Dave Barakat'" <dave.barakat@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 21:43:09 -0400
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Dave
    It is very possible you do not have the original dip stick.  I'm not
sure I have the original in my engine either.
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Parts List 6601334
1224808    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a =
Ford
part
C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
There is no indication about when this part change occurred.
=20
Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some measurements.
The original dip stick & tube measurements are:

Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" cover/dust
guard.=20

Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip.

--

Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating =
ring"
(were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube. 7 =
5/16"
from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing".

--

With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 =
1/2"
out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the
bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring")=20

David Franchi

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Barakat [mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 7:09 PM
To: rfraser@bluefrog.com
Cc: Andy Walker; tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter


Ron...I have the stock filter set up (which fills and stays full whether =
the
engine is running or not, I think, based on its inverted position)) and =
with
4 quarts my dip stick shows almost full. My assumption is that when the
engine stops oil sits in the filter and doesn't drain down to the =
crankcase.
If I added a quart I am sure the dip stick would show way over full. I =
am
puzzled.=20




On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:

Dave
    I think most of us have this problem and I don't recall where the =
oil
line was with the original oil filter and hoses.   I never experimented =
with
how much oil the original filter and lines held to see if that was part =
of
the problem.
=20
I have a right angle oil filter adaptor on my 260 now.
=20
I marked my dipstick with 4 qt mark after running to fill the filter and
then letting it settle then a 5 qt mark for the right angle filter.
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Barakat [mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com]=20
Sent: Sunday, October 04, 2015 5:52 PM
To: rfraser@bluefrog.com
Cc: Andy Walker; tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter


I have a little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the "full =
line" on
the dipstick with a little more than 4 quarts including the filter. =
Can't
figure out why it can't take the full five quarts?=20



.


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<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
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size=3D2 face=3DArial>It is very possible you do not have the original =
dip=20
stick.&nbsp; I'm not sure I have the original in my engine=20
either.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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List 6601334</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # only</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>There=20
is no indication about when this part change =
occurred.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Here=20
is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some=20
measurements.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN lang=3DEN>
<P>The original dip stick &amp; tube measurements are:</P>
<P>Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" =
cover/dust=20
guard. </P>
<P>Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip.</P>
<P>--</P>
<P>Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating =
ring"=20
(were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube. 7 =
5/16" from=20
the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing".</P>
<P>--</P>
<P>With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes =
9 1/2"=20
out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the =
bottom of=20
the tube "stop/seating ring") </P>
<P>David Franchi</P>
<P><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Ron=20
Fraser</FONT></SPAN></P></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
align=3Dleft><FONT size=3D2=20
  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Barakat=20
  [mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 04, =
2015=20
  7:09 PM<BR><B>To:</B> rfraser@bluefrog.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> Andy Walker;=20
  tigers@Autox.Team.Net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil =
capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Ron&#8230;..I have the stock =
filter set up=20
  (which fills and stays full whether the engine is running or not, I =
think,=20
  based on its inverted position)) and with 4 quarts my dip stick shows =
almost=20
  full. My assumption is that when the engine stops oil sits in the =
filter and=20
  doesn&#8217;t drain down to the crankcase. If I added a quart I am =
sure the dip=20
  stick would show way over full. I am puzzled.
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR>
  <DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">
    <DIV>On Oct 4, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com";>rfraser@bluefrog.com</A>&gt;=20
    wrote:</DIV><BR class=3DApple-interchange-newline>
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    face=3DArial>Dave</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2 face=3DArial>I think most of us have this problem and I =
don't recall=20
    where the oil line was with the original oil filter and =
hoses.&nbsp;&nbsp; I=20
    never experimented with how much oil the original filter and lines =
held to=20
    see if that was part of the problem.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>I=20
    have a right angle oil filter adaptor on my 260 =
now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>I=20
    marked my dipstick with 4 qt mark after running to fill the filter =
and=20
    then&nbsp;letting it settle&nbsp;then a 5 qt mark for the right =
angle=20
    filter.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D322013622-04102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>Ron Fraser</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Barakat [<A=20
      =
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>]=20
      <BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, October 04, 2015 5:52 PM<BR><B>To:</B> <A =

      =
href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com";>rfraser@bluefrog.com</A><BR><B>Cc:</=
B>=20
      Andy Walker; <A=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net";>tigers@Autox.Team.Net</A><BR><B>Sub=
ject:</B>=20
      Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock =
filter<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>I=20
      have a little different problem. My 260 almost fills to the =
&#8220;full line&#8221; on=20
      the dipstick with a little more than 4 quarts including the =
filter. Can&#8217;t=20
      figure out why it can&#8217;t take the full five quarts?=20
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