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Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter

To: "'Dave Barakat'" <dave.barakat@icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2015 10:40:34 -0400
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Dave=20
=20
    It looks like I need to investigate the dip stick part further.
=20
The dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched pair.
=20
Parts List 6601334
1224808    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a =
Ford
part
C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
=20
6100489    C2OZ-6754-A    Tube - Oil level indicator
=20
Ford Master Parts Catalog - listed for the 260 engine
C3OZ-6750-B    22.48" shield to full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" =
shield to
tip
C2OZ-6754-A    Tube
=20
This appears to be the correct dip stick and tube combination for the =
Tiger.
=20
Maybe 1224808 is indicated because Rootes had to modify the dip stick.  =
The
long handle had to be bent to clear the hood.
I'm sure this prompted Rootes to have Ford correct this issue with a new
part - possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the "J" in this part # indicates =
a
Ford Industrial Group supplied part.
=20
The later Tiger dip stick has the handle loop tighter to the shield with
only a slight bend.
=20
The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are being reproduced by Scott Drake.
=20
Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Barakat [mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com]=20
Sent: Monday, October 05, 2015 2:20 AM
To: rfraser@bluefrog.com
Cc: Andy Walker; tigers@Autox.Team.Net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil capacity w/non-stock filter


Ron...thanks.this is so helpful and I will measure the stick and tube
against David's spec. The tube and stick were obtained from SS as  =
"dipstick
for generator cars" (TM50/TM54), but no other part number given.=20





On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:

Dave
    It is very possible you do not have the original dip stick.  I'm not
sure I have the original in my engine either.
=20
Parts List 6601334
1224808    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only
6100734    Oil Level indicator    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a =
Ford
part
C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #
There is no indication about when this part change occurred.
=20
Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with some measurements.

The original dip stick & tube measurements are:
Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell" cover/dust
guard.=20
Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from tip.
--
Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the "stop/seating =
ring"
(were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the tube. 7 =
5/16"
from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting wing".
--
With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick protrudes 9 =
1/2"
out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick to the
bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring")=20
David Franchi
Ron Fraser




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class=3D875321714-05102015>Dave=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D875321714-05102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It looks like I need to =
investigate=20
the dip stick part further.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D875321714-05102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015>The=20
dip stick and dip stick tube should be a matched =
pair.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20
class=3D875321714-05102015></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D875321714-05102015>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =
face=3DArial>Parts=20
List 6601334</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # only</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; NOTE=20
- this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial>C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part #</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2=20
face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>6100489&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tube - Oil level=20
indicator</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Ford Master Parts Catalog - listed =
for the 260=20
engine</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>C3OZ-6750-B&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
22.48" shield to=20
full, 23.32" shield to Add, 24.44" shield to =
tip</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>C2OZ-6754-A&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
Tube</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>This appears to be the correct dip =
stick and=20
tube combination for the Tiger.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Maybe 1224808 is indicated because =
Rootes had to=20
modify the dip stick.&nbsp; The long handle had to be bent to clear the=20
hood.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>I'm sure this prompted Rootes to =
have Ford=20
correct this issue with a new part - possibly the C4JZ-6750-A part - the =
"J" in=20
this part # indicates a Ford Industrial Group supplied=20
part.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>The later Tiger dip stick has the =
handle loop=20
tighter to the&nbsp;shield with only a slight =
bend.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>The C3OZ-B and C2OZ-A parts are =
being reproduced=20
by Scott Drake.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN =
class=3D875321714-05102015><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>Ron=20
Fraser</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr lang=3Den-us class=3DOutlookMessageHeader =
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  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Dave Barakat=20
  [mailto:dave.barakat@icloud.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 05, =
2015=20
  2:20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> rfraser@bluefrog.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> Andy Walker;=20
  tigers@Autox.Team.Net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Tigers] Tiger oil =
capacity=20
  w/non-stock filter<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Ron&#8230;..thanks&#8230;this =
is so helpful and I=20
  will measure the stick and tube against David&#8217;s spec. The tube =
and stick were=20
  obtained from SS as &nbsp;&#8220;dipstick for generator cars&#8221; =
(TM50/TM54), but no=20
  other part number given.
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR>
  <DIV>
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    <DIV>On Oct 4, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Ron Fraser &lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com";>rfraser@bluefrog.com</A>&gt;=20
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    face=3DArial>Dave</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT =
color=3D#0000ff=20
    size=3D2 face=3DArial>It is very possible you do not have the =
original dip=20
    stick.&nbsp; I'm not sure I have the original in my engine=20
    either.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>Parts List 6601334</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>1224808&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # only</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>6100734&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Oil Level =
indicator&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
    NOTE - this is a Rootes part # for a Ford part</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>C4JZ-6750-A seems to be the Ford part =
#</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>There is no indication about when this part change=20
    occurred.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>Here is an email from David Franchi - 8/12/2004 with =
some=20
    measurements.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><SPAN lang=3DEN>
    <DIV>The original dip stick &amp; tube measurements are:</DIV>
    <DIV>Stick - 24 7/16" from the tip to the inside top of the "bell"=20
    cover/dust guard. </DIV>
    <DIV>Oil "add" mark 1 1/8" from tip, oil "full" mark 2" from =
tip.</DIV>
    <DIV>--</DIV>
    <DIV>Tube - 15 15/16" overall. 14 3/4" from the top of the =
"stop/seating=20
    ring" (were it goes into the timing gear cover) to the top of the =
tube. 7=20
    5/16" from the top of the tube to the center of the "mounting =
wing".</DIV>
    <DIV>--</DIV>
    <DIV>With the stick installed in the tube, the tip of the stick =
protrudes 9=20
    1/2" out of the end of the tube. (measured from the tip of the stick =
to the=20
    bottom of the tube "stop/seating ring") </DIV>
    <DIV>David Franchi</DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3D822013001-05102015><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 =

    face=3DArial>Ron Fraser</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN></SPAN></DIV>
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