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Not sure if this post goes through... (to the list) , the past few =
haven=E2=80=99t.
It would seem logical that there were a number of Mk 1A=E2=80=99s that =
were the pre-production prototypes for the Mk 2. And, it would seem =
logical that most eventually found their way into some form of a general =
sale =E2=80=93 even if only to Rootes employees. Thus, the question is, =
would they have been sold as Mk 1A=E2=80=99s or completely updated to Mk =
2=E2=80=99s? I=E2=80=99m doubting the latter based on the alterations =
needed to hide the beltline trim holes to convert Mk 1A to a Mk 2 (as =
one point among potentially many). If not updated visually (but were =
mechanically) it would seem at least plausible that a few Mk =
1A=E2=80=99s were equipped with 289=E2=80=99s - even if they were not =
sold through the typical dealership method. The potential Mk 1A/289 =
would likely not have been at the end of the Mk 1A run, but at whatever =
point the Mk 2 prototype development was started.
Another potential scenario would regard Rootes not having enough =
260=E2=80=99s at the end of the Mk 1A run. Thus using available =
289=E2=80=99s that were either bought for Mk 2 prototypes, or waiting in =
the wings for the Mk 2. It would be interesting to know the number of =
260=E2=80=99s ordered/shipped and the number of Mk 1, 1A=E2=80=99s =
produced. Also a factor would be the 260=E2=80=99s set aside for =
development/testing and warranty replacement (if any).
I=E2=80=99m not trying to create an Urban Legend nor support the Mk 1A =
289. I=E2=80=99m only postulating the potential for it to have happened =
as I obviously have produced no evidence. With that in mind I=E2=80=99d =
be happy to see evident that refutes the above concept and closes the =
door for thinking in that direction.
From: Ron Fraser via Tigers=20
Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 5:39 AM
To: 'Tod Brown' ; tigers@Autox.Team.Net=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs
Tod
I don=E2=80=99t believe any Mk 1A originally came with a =
289 engine. I see no evidence of anything but the B19KC 260 engine =
group for the last production Mk 1A. Norm Miller calls the 289 engine =
in Mk 1As a myth. It would be nice to have real evidence to confirm =
either position.
My Original Tiger Engine Study does not contain specific information for =
the engines in the last dozen or so Mk 1As produced. Owners lets change =
that.
I will gladly accept and examine engine information for any original =
Tiger engine. I have a worksheet that is easy to fill out =E2=80=93 =
just ask for one.
Ron Fraser
From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Tod =
Brown via Tigers
Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 7:28 PM
To: tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs
Actually, there were two MkII's assembled by Rootes before production =
was turned=20
over to Jensen. They carry serial numbers B382100001 and B382100002 but =
no JAL
numbers. The Jensen run began with B382100100 and ended with ...633. See =
the
note in the SS Catalog:
MARK II PRODUCTION NUMBERS VARY. CARS WITH
SERIAL # B382100001=20
AND #B382100002 EXIST WITH NO JAL #=E2=80=99S (JENSEN ALPINE LTD. BODY =
#)=20
WHICH INDICATES THE CARS WERE COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED BY ROOTES,=20
NEVER GOING TO THE JENSEN PLANT AND MUST HAVE BEEN A PRE-
PRODUCTION PILOT CARS. THE NEXT MK II IS B382100
100 WHICH CARRIES=20
A JAL NUMBER, THE FIRST OF THE MK II SERIES.
There were also six (IIRC) MkIA's fitted with the MkII mechanicals (289 =
block, wide-
ratio trans, modified Watts linkage, etc.) but were badged as MkIA's at =
the end of
the MkIA run at Jensen.=20
Tod Brown
B382002384LRXFE
TAC 864=20
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<DIV>Not sure if this post goes through... (to the list) , the past few=20
haven=E2=80=99t.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It would seem logical that there were a number of Mk 1A=E2=80=99s =
that were the=20
pre-production prototypes for the Mk 2. And, it would seem logical =
that=20
most eventually found their way into some form of a general sale =
=E2=80=93 even if only=20
to Rootes employees. Thus, the question is, would they have been =
sold as=20
Mk 1A=E2=80=99s or completely updated to Mk 2=E2=80=99s? I=E2=80=99m =
doubting the latter based on the=20
alterations needed to hide the beltline trim holes to convert Mk 1A to a =
Mk 2=20
(as one point among potentially many). If not updated visually (but were =
mechanically) it would seem at least plausible that a few Mk =
1A=E2=80=99s were equipped=20
with 289=E2=80=99s - even if they were not sold through the typical =
dealership=20
method. The potential Mk 1A/289 would likely not have been =
at the=20
end of the Mk 1A run, but at whatever point the Mk 2 prototype =
development was=20
started.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Another potential scenario would regard Rootes not having enough =
260=E2=80=99s at=20
the end of the Mk 1A run. Thus using available 289=E2=80=99s that =
were either=20
bought for Mk 2 prototypes, or waiting in the wings for the Mk 2. It =
would be=20
interesting to know the number of 260=E2=80=99s ordered/shipped and the =
number of Mk 1,=20
1A=E2=80=99s produced. Also a factor would be the 260=E2=80=99s set =
aside for=20
development/testing and warranty replacement (if any).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I=E2=80=99m not trying to create an Urban Legend nor support the Mk =
1A 289. I=E2=80=99m=20
only postulating the potential for it to have happened as I obviously =
have=20
produced no evidence. With that in mind I=E2=80=99d be happy to =
see evident that=20
refutes the above concept and closes the door for thinking in that=20
direction.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>From: Ron Fraser via Tigers </DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2016 5:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV>To: 'Tod Brown' ; tigers@Autox.Team.Net </DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tod</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> &n=
bsp; =20
I don=E2=80=99t believe any Mk 1A originally came with a 289 =
engine. I see no=20
evidence of anything but the B19KC 260 engine group for the last =
production Mk=20
1A. Norm Miller calls the 289 engine in Mk 1As a myth. It =
would be=20
nice to have real evidence to confirm either position.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>My Original Tiger Engine Study does not contain specific =
information for=20
the engines in the last dozen or so Mk 1As produced. Owners lets =
change=20
that.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I will gladly accept and examine engine information for any =
original Tiger=20
engine. I have a worksheet that is easy to fill out =E2=80=93 just =
ask for=20
one.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ron Fraser</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of =
Tod Brown=20
via Tigers</DIV>
<DIV>Sent: Friday, July 15, 2016 7:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV>To: tigers@autox.team.net</DIV>
<DIV>Subject: Re: [Tigers] MkII VINs</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Actually, there were two MkII's assembled by Rootes before =
production was=20
turned </DIV>
<DIV>over to Jensen. They carry serial numbers B382100001 and B382100002 =
but no=20
JAL</DIV>
<DIV>numbers. The Jensen run began with B382100100 and ended with =
...633. See=20
the</DIV>
<DIV>note in the SS Catalog:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>MARK II PRODUCTION NUMBERS VARY. CARS WITH</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>SERIAL # B382100001 </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>AND #B382100002 EXIST WITH NO JAL #=E2=80=99S (JENSEN ALPINE LTD. =
BODY #) </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>WHICH INDICATES THE CARS WERE COMPLETELY ASSEMBLED BY ROOTES, =
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>NEVER GOING TO THE JENSEN PLANT AND MUST HAVE BEEN A PRE-</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>PRODUCTION PILOT CARS. THE NEXT MK II IS B382100</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>100 WHICH CARRIES </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A JAL NUMBER, THE FIRST OF THE MK II SERIES.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>There were also six (IIRC) MkIA's fitted with the MkII mechanicals =
(289=20
block, wide-</DIV>
<DIV>ratio trans, modified Watts linkage, etc.) but were badged as =
MkIA's at the=20
end of</DIV>
<DIV>the MkIA run at Jensen. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tod Brown</DIV>
<DIV>B382002384LRXFE</DIV>
<DIV>TAC 864 </DIV>
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