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From: Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
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Lots of aspects factor into rubbing.  You stated originally there was no ru=
bbing. And, you thought it might be a weight issue. If so removed what must=
 be the added weight. If it is spring sag then they will need to be replace=
d or re-arced. Perhaps a leaf is broken???  There is the possibility that t=
he Panhard rod bushings have worn. Thus the prescribed arc of the Panhard r=
od is no longer holding the tires off an area..., or the slop is allowing t=
he axle to move and rub.

What type of driving causes the rub. Bumps, turning? Where are the tires ru=
bbing? Inner fender (and if there on the inside or outside wall). Or is it =
the wheel opening lip that is rubbing? If it is the wheel opening lip there=
 are services that can deal with this and generally not affect the paint. W=
hat is the wheel offset and the tire size? You might be near the edge of sl=
im margins.  Longer shackles may flex even more and it will alter the pinio=
n angle and roll steer. I agree with a previous poster raising the rear of =
the Tiger upwards towards 2=E2=80=9D- 3=E2=80=9D is excessive.




  From: Lance Beauchamp via Tigers 
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:29 AM
To: tigers@autox.team.net 
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Coil over shocks?

More info, The car has original springs, it has dropped down in the rear es=
pecially on my side , I think it's a weight issue. I've had 15 inch Panaspo=
rt's on for some time with no isssues. And I had air shocks for awhile, har=
sher ride, looked good though!  So, Mr King is probably wright new springs =
and a good new rear shock will keep that tire off my fender.. 

Beau 9470951

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil over shocks?
To: Jim Buster <jbsyv@yahoo.com>
Cc: Lance Beauchamp <blance598@gmail.com>, tigers@autox.team.net <tigers@au=
tox.team.net>



Why?  Are you putting in larger diameter wheels?  Might look quite a bit od=
d.  And similar sized wheels in front would hit when turning. 

> On Sep 18, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Jim Buster via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net=
> wrote:
> 
> I think coil over shocks in addition to leaf springs goes into the territ=
ory of =E2=80=98helper springs=E2=80=99. Usually for carrying a heavier loa=
d. Adjustable coil over shocks (where you can raise the ride height) will p=
re-load the leaf springs and, in my opinion, result in a harsh ride and pos=
sibly some irrational behavior of the rear end. Fitment may also be an issu=
e. Extended shackles may be your answer. 2 inches is quite a bit and I=E2=
=80=99m not a fan of longer shackles but it will raise the body. Maybe some=
one has had more experience with coil overs than I have. I use QA1 coil ove=
rs on my street rod with a 4 link set up. 
> Jim B
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <tigers@autox.te=
am.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone ever used coil over shocks in the rear of thier Tiger? 
>> If so what kind fit, any mods necessary. I'm interested in rasing the re=
ar 2 to 3 inches


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<DIV>Lots of aspects factor into rubbing.&nbsp; You stated originally there=
 was 
no rubbing. And, you thought it might be a weight issue. If so removed what=
 must 
be the added weight. If it is spring sag then they will need to be replaced=
 or 
re-arced. Perhaps a leaf is broken???&nbsp; There is the possibility that t=
he 
Panhard rod bushings have worn. Thus the prescribed arc of the Panhard rod =
is no 
longer holding the tires off an area..., or the slop is allowing the axle t=
o 
move and rub.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>What type of driving causes the rub. Bumps, turning? Where are the tir=
es 
rubbing? Inner fender (and if there on the inside or outside wall). Or is i=
t the 
wheel opening lip that is rubbing? If it is the wheel opening lip there are=
 
services that can deal with this and generally not affect the paint. What i=
s the 
wheel offset and the tire size? You might be near the edge of slim 
margins.&nbsp; Longer shackles may flex even more and it will alter the pin=
ion 
angle and roll steer. I agree with a previous poster raising the rear of th=
e 
Tiger upwards towards 2=E2=80=9D- 3=E2=80=9D is excessive.</DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> [Tigers] Fwd: Coil over shocks?</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>More info, The car has original springs, it has dropped down in the re=
ar 
especially on my side , I think it's a weight issue. I've had 15 inch 
Panasport's on for some time with no isssues. And I had air shocks for awhi=
le, 
harsher ride, looked good though!&nbsp; So, Mr King is probably wright new =

springs and a good new rear shock will keep that tire off my fender.. 
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Beau 9470951</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>---------- Forwarded message ---------<BR>From: <STRONG 
class=3Dgmail_sendername>Jay Laifman</STRONG> <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A 
href=3D"mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com";>jay.laifman@gmail.com</A>&gt;</SPAN><=
BR>Date: 
Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:51 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil over shocks?<BR>To=
: Jim 
Buster &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:jbsyv@yahoo.com";>jbsyv@yahoo.com</A>&gt;<BR>Cc=
: Lance 
Beauchamp &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:blance598@gmail.com";>blance598@gmail.com</A=
>&gt;, 
<A href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A> &lt;<A 
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</A>&gt;<BR></DI=
V><BR><BR>Why?&nbsp; 
Are you putting in larger diameter wheels?&nbsp; Might look quite a bit 
odd.&nbsp; And similar sized wheels in front would hit when turning. 
<BR><BR>&gt; On Sep 18, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Jim Buster via Tigers &lt;<A 
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3Dnoreferrer 
target=3D_blank>tigers@autox.team.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I thi=
nk coil 
over shocks in addition to leaf springs goes into the territory of =E2=80=
=98helper 
springs=E2=80=99. Usually for carrying a heavier load. Adjustable coil over=
 shocks 
(where you can raise the ride height) will pre-load the leaf springs and, i=
n my 
opinion, result in a harsh ride and possibly some irrational behavior of th=
e 
rear end. Fitment may also be an issue. Extended shackles may be your answe=
r. 2 
inches is quite a bit and I=E2=80=99m not a fan of longer shackles but it w=
ill raise the 
body. Maybe someone has had more experience with coil overs than I have. I =
use 
QA1 coil overs on my street rod with a 4 link set up. <BR>&gt; Jim B<BR>&gt=
; 
<BR>&gt;&gt; On Sep 18, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers &lt;<A=
 
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3Dnoreferrer 
target=3D_blank>tigers@autox.team.net</A>&gt; wrote:<BR>&gt;&gt; <BR>&gt;&g=
t; Has 
anyone ever used coil over shocks in the rear of thier Tiger? <BR>&gt;&gt; =
If so 
what kind fit, any mods necessary. I'm interested in rasing the rear 2 to 3=
 
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