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Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Coil over shocks?

To: Thomas Witt <atwittsend@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Coil over shocks?
From: Jay Laifman via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:02:01 -0700
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I know I said that.  But, now that I see these other posts, if the rear
springs are sagging that much, 2-3" might get it back to stock!

I would now add a different take.  Does anyone know how to make sure the
springs don't get re-arched too much?  Or replacement springs aren't too
high?

I'd hate for Lance to follow one of these suggestions and end up looking
like a 4x4 in the rear.

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:25 PM Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net=
>
wrote:

> Lots of aspects factor into rubbing.  You stated originally there was no
> rubbing. And, you thought it might be a weight issue. If so removed what
> must be the added weight. If it is spring sag then they will need to be
> replaced or re-arced. Perhaps a leaf is broken???  There is the possibili=
ty
> that the Panhard rod bushings have worn. Thus the prescribed arc of the
> Panhard rod is no longer holding the tires off an area..., or the slop is
> allowing the axle to move and rub.
>
> What type of driving causes the rub. Bumps, turning? Where are the tires
> rubbing? Inner fender (and if there on the inside or outside wall). Or is
> it the wheel opening lip that is rubbing? If it is the wheel opening lip
> there are services that can deal with this and generally not affect the
> paint. What is the wheel offset and the tire size? You might be near the
> edge of slim margins.  Longer shackles may flex even more and it will alt=
er
> the pinion angle and roll steer. I agree with a previous poster raising t=
he
> rear of the Tiger upwards towards 2=E2=80=9D- 3=E2=80=9D is excessive.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:29 AM
> *To:* tigers@autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Fwd: Coil over shocks?
>
> More info, The car has original springs, it has dropped down in the rear
> especially on my side , I think it's a weight issue. I've had 15 inch
> Panasport's on for some time with no isssues. And I had air shocks for
> awhile, harsher ride, looked good though!  So, Mr King is probably wright
> new springs and a good new rear shock will keep that tire off my fender..
>
> Beau 9470951
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil over shocks?
> To: Jim Buster <jbsyv@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Lance Beauchamp <blance598@gmail.com>, tigers@autox.team.net <
> tigers@autox.team.net>
>
>
> Why?  Are you putting in larger diameter wheels?  Might look quite a bit
> odd.  And similar sized wheels in front would hit when turning.
>
> > On Sep 18, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Jim Buster via Tigers <
> tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> > I think coil over shocks in addition to leaf springs goes into the
> territory of =E2=80=98helper springs=E2=80=99. Usually for carrying a hea=
vier load.
> Adjustable coil over shocks (where you can raise the ride height) will
> pre-load the leaf springs and, in my opinion, result in a harsh ride and
> possibly some irrational behavior of the rear end. Fitment may also be an
> issue. Extended shackles may be your answer. 2 inches is quite a bit and
> I=E2=80=99m not a fan of longer shackles but it will raise the body. Mayb=
e someone
> has had more experience with coil overs than I have. I use QA1 coil overs
> on my street rod with a 4 link set up.
> > Jim B
> >
> >> On Sep 18, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers <
> tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Has anyone ever used coil over shocks in the rear of thier Tiger?
> >> If so what kind fit, any mods necessary. I'm interested in rasing the
> rear 2 to 3 inches
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I know I said that.=C2=A0 But, now that I see these other =
posts, if the rear springs are sagging that much, 2-3&quot; might get it ba=
ck to stock!<div><br></div><div>I would now add a different take.=C2=A0 Doe=
s anyone know how to make sure the springs don&#39;t get re-arched too much=
?=C2=A0 Or replacement springs aren&#39;t too high?=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div><=
br></div><div>I&#39;d hate for Lance to follow one of these suggestions and=
 end up looking like a 4x4 in the rear.</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_=
quote"><div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:25 PM Tom Witt via Tiger=
s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt=
; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .=
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<div>Lots of aspects factor into rubbing.=C2=A0 You stated originally there=
 was=20
no rubbing. And, you thought it might be a weight issue. If so removed what=
 must=20
be the added weight. If it is spring sag then they will need to be replaced=
 or=20
re-arced. Perhaps a leaf is broken???=C2=A0 There is the possibility that t=
he=20
Panhard rod bushings have worn. Thus the prescribed arc of the Panhard rod =
is no=20
longer holding the tires off an area..., or the slop is allowing the axle t=
o=20
move and rub.</div>
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<div>What type of driving causes the rub. Bumps, turning? Where are the tir=
es=20
rubbing? Inner fender (and if there on the inside or outside wall). Or is i=
t the=20
wheel opening lip that is rubbing? If it is the wheel opening lip there are=
=20
services that can deal with this and generally not affect the paint. What i=
s the=20
wheel offset and the tire size? You might be near the edge of slim=20
margins.=C2=A0 Longer shackles may flex even more and it will alter the pin=
ion=20
angle and roll steer. I agree with a previous poster raising the rear of th=
e=20
Tiger upwards towards 2=E2=80=9D- 3=E2=80=9D is excessive.</div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 19, 2018 6:29 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:tigers@au=
tox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a> </div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Fwd: Coil over shocks?</div></div></div>
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<div>More info, The car has original springs, it has dropped down in the re=
ar=20
especially on my side , I think it&#39;s a weight issue. I&#39;ve had 15 in=
ch=20
Panasport&#39;s on for some time with no isssues. And I had air shocks for =
awhile,=20
harsher ride, looked good though!=C2=A0 So, Mr King is probably wright new=
=20
springs and a good new rear shock will keep that tire off my fender..=20
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Beau 9470951</div></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong cl=
ass=3D"gmail_sendername">Jay Laifman</strong> <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">jay.laifman@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;</span><br>Date:=20
Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 1:51 AM<br>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Coil over shocks?<br>To=
: Jim=20
Buster &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbsyv@yahoo.com"; target=3D"_blank">jbsyv@yahoo=
.com</a>&gt;<br>Cc: Lance=20
Beauchamp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blance598@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">blan=
ce598@gmail.com</a>&gt;,=20
<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.tea=
m.net</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">ti=
gers@autox.team.net</a>&gt;<br></div><br><br>Why?=C2=A0=20
Are you putting in larger diameter wheels?=C2=A0 Might look quite a bit=20
odd.=C2=A0 And similar sized wheels in front would hit when turning.=20
<br><br>&gt; On Sep 18, 2018, at 9:18 PM, Jim Buster via Tigers &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">tige=
rs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I think coil=20
over shocks in addition to leaf springs goes into the territory of =E2=80=
=98helper=20
springs=E2=80=99. Usually for carrying a heavier load. Adjustable coil over=
 shocks=20
(where you can raise the ride height) will pre-load the leaf springs and, i=
n my=20
opinion, result in a harsh ride and possibly some irrational behavior of th=
e=20
rear end. Fitment may also be an issue. Extended shackles may be your answe=
r. 2=20
inches is quite a bit and I=E2=80=99m not a fan of longer shackles but it w=
ill raise the=20
body. Maybe someone has had more experience with coil overs than I have. I =
use=20
QA1 coil overs on my street rod with a 4 link set up. <br>&gt; Jim B<br>&gt=
;=20
<br>&gt;&gt; On Sep 18, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank"=
>tigers@autox.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&gt; <br>&gt;&gt; Has=20
anyone ever used coil over shocks in the rear of thier Tiger? <br>&gt;&gt; =
If so=20
what kind fit, any mods necessary. I&#39;m interested in rasing the rear 2 =
to 3=20
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