Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 11, Issue 181

[Dave Munroe via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>]

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Hi Joel;

congratulations on getting your Tiger to run cool!

I, like many other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating path
for many years, and most of us have found the solution more or less in the
same way you have done.

In my personal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across this
very interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.
You might want to re-consider your choice of thermostats.  HOTRODSRJ@AOL.CO=
M


In another specialty car I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and
corrected it in a similar manner.  However, on this car I installed an oil
pan temperature gauge, and found it very difficult to get the engine oil up
beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remedy. The water temperature is
very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regardless of the load on the
engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reach 220 deg to boil off the
H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what to do about this, besides
changing the oil very frequently.

Just some interesting info, FWIW.

Cheers,

Dave Munroe B382000450LRXFE

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net=
>
wrote:

> All
>
> Thanks for the responses.  I am personally PLEASED with the changes that =
I
> have made.  16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes to go
> from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at least
> based on my previous experience with idle temps rising.  This allows me t=
o
> drive the car in most any and all conditions.
>
> I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I am missing
> something - would not be the first time.  I do live out in the country wi=
th
> around only 90K people in the county so not much city driving.
>
> The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible air cavitation
> or pockets of air than the higher flow of water.
>
> No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and removed
> it - did not seem to make a difference.
> Running 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap.
>
> Joel
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 2:01:11 PM EDT, tigers-request@autox.team.net =
<
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>   1. Re:  Tiger Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)
> I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves on
> I can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from=
 the obvious
> (clogged radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.=
)
> there have been other causes of high temperature readings:
>
> 1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the
> voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a highe=
r
> than actual reading.
>
> 2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the rpm=
=E2=80=99s
> increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose sucks=
 in and pinches
> flow. A stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this
> from a lawn sprinkler) prevents the collapse.
>
> The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recirculation
> are helpful.  I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the lowe=
r section
> of the grill area and the radiator.  My understanding of the air dam is
> that it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative ai=
r
> pressure to draw air from the engine compartment.  I truly believe a shro=
ud
> would be very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning h=
ot
> air already under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is dra=
wn
> externally. As noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.
>
> In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interesting t=
o
> to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going =
on
> under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn
> openings and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade
> man-o-meters might be informative too.
>
> Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump pulls
> hot coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through
> the radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, =
or
> bad because it is less efficient than straight water.  There are the peop=
le
> with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to th=
e
> engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and thos=
e
> in cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement
> known to Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.
>
> In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving your
> now running cool Tiger.
>
> *From:* Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM
> *To:* Tiger List Serve <tigers@autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun Approach
>
> After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hood
> down, I took drastic steps.  I have been driving the car during the last
> year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
>
>
>
>    1. Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.
>    2. Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washick
>    alw6464@gmail.com which are powder coated.
>    3. Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert
>    Straghan <rgstraghan@yahoo.ca> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss
>    black
>    4. Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen <
>    dlutjen55@gmail.com> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.
>    5. Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side
>    tank radiator from Griffin Radiator.
>    6. Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted
>    Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to=
 line
>    up.
>    7. Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=
=9D from
>    radiator.
>    8. Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
>    9. Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to
>    radiator hoses.
>    10. New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit
>    taller radiator.
>    11. New fan belt.
>    12. Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would
>    not fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracke=
t to
>    fit my taller radiator.  Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi
>    gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
>    13. Installed 160 degree thermostat.
>
> So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a cu=
stom.  Other
> changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to botto=
m
> of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out thi=
s
> summer.
>
> Results as follows:
>
> Cold start with 86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle w=
ith hood
> closed, car in sun.
>
> 5 Minutes engine temperature 174 degrees.
>
> 9 Minutes engine temperature 180 degrees.
>
> 12 Minutes engine temperature 190 degrees.
>
> 14 Minutes engine temperature 195 degrees.
>
> 16 Minutes engine temperature 200 degrees.
>
> Run the motor at 1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 =
degrees.
>
> Run the motor at 2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops=
 to 194
> degrees.
>
> Turn motor off and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is
> 208 degrees.
>
> All this is recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located
> under dash.
>
> The car temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the
> outside ambient temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.
>
> Whew, maybe at last can enjoy car with a couple of things still
> outstanding to be able to drive it out of town for any distance.  The
> Tiger=E2=80=99s first major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival=
 held in
> Pinehurst NC last month in May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the car=
s at:
> https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49fd=
acc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html
> You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.
>
> Thank you all for putting up with all my inane questions and comments ove=
r
> the years.  I am sure there will be more.
>
> Regards
>
> Joel Martin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,s=
ans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Joel;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">cong=
ratulations on getting your Tiger to run cool!</div><div class=3D"gmail_def=
ault" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><di=
v class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:=
small">I, like many other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating =
path for many years, and most of us have found the solution more or less in=
 the same way you have done.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fon=
t-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_d=
efault" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">In my perso=
nal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across this very interesti=
ng article regarding 160F Thermostats.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">You might want to re-=
consider your choice of thermostats.=C2=A0=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:HOTRODSRJ=
@AOL.COM" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium=
;font-weight:700" target=3D"_blank">HOTRODSRJ@AOL.COM</a><span style=3D"col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium;font=
-weight:700">=C2=A0</span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);f=
ont-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;font-size:medium;font-weight:700"><b=
r></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,san=
s-serif;font-size:small">In another specialty car I run regularly, I had a =
similar problem, and corrected it in a similar manner.=C2=A0 However, on th=
is car I installed an oil pan temperature gauge, and found it very difficul=
t to get the engine oil up beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remed=
y.=C2=A0The water temperature is very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regar=
dless of the load on the engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reac=
h 220 deg to boil off the H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what t=
o do about this, besides changing the oil very frequently.<br></div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:smal=
l"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-=
serif;font-size:small">Just some interesting info, FWIW.</div><div class=3D=
"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br=
></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;=
font-size:small">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dave Munroe B38=
2000450LRXFE<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">tigers@autox=
.team.net</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673=
852204704ydp3a600384yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:garamond,&quot;n=
ew york&quot;,times,serif;font-size:16px"><div>All<br><div><br><div><div><d=
iv>Thanks for the responses.=C2=A0 I am personally PLEASED with the changes=
 that I have made.=C2=A0 16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minu=
tes to go from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at =
least based on my previous experience with idle temps rising.=C2=A0 This al=
lows me to drive the car in most any and all conditions.=C2=A0 <br><div><br=
>I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I am missing so=
mething - would not be the first time.=C2=A0 I do live out in the country w=
ith around only 90K people in the county so not much city driving.</div></d=
iv><div><br><div>The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible=
 air cavitation or pockets of air than the higher flow of water.<br><div><b=
r><div>No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and re=
moved it - did not seem to make a difference.<br>Running 50/50 green antifr=
eeze and 16 psi cap.=C2=A0 <br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br>Joel<=
br></div></div></div></div><div></div>
        <div><br></div><div><br></div>
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Re: Contents of Tigers digest...&quot;<br></div>Today&#39;s Topics:<br><br>=
=C2=A0  1. Re:=C2=A0 Tiger Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)<br><di=
v id=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cym=
sg84374" class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp=
2605580cymsg9944149083"><div id=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_43231=
23673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div dir=3D"ltr">
<div style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div>I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves=
 on I
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from the=
 obvious (clogged
radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.) there hav=
e
been other causes of high temperature readings:</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the=
=20
voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a higher =
than
actual reading.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the rp=
m=E2=80=99s
increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose sucks i=
n and pinches flow. A
stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this from a la=
wn
sprinkler) prevents the collapse.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recirculatio=
n are
helpful.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the lower=
 section of
the grill area and the radiator.=C2=A0 My understanding of the air dam is t=
hat
it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative air press=
ure
to draw air from the engine compartment.=C2=A0 I truly believe a shroud wou=
ld be
very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air alre=
ady
under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn externally.=
 As
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interestin=
g to
to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going on
under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn open=
ings
and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade man-o-meters mig=
ht be
informative too.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump pull=
s hot
coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through the
radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, or bad
because it is less efficient than straight water.=C2=A0 There are the peopl=
e
with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to the=
=20
engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and those =
in
cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement known=
 to
Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving yo=
ur
now running cool Tiger.</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div style=3D"font-family:tahoma;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-=
size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-stretch:normal">
<div><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"background-color:rgb(245,245,245);background-image:none;backg=
round-repeat:repeat;background-size:auto">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Joel Martin via Tigers</=
a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:tigers@au=
tox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Tiger List Serve</a> </div=
>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun
Approach</div></div></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605=
580cyiv7361261624yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-size:16px;font-family:gara=
mond,&quot;new york&quot;,times,serif">
<div>
<div>After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hoo=
d
down, I took drastic steps.<span>=C2=A0 </span>I have been driving the car=
=20
during the last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in;list-style-position:inside" type=3D"1">
  <li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260=
5580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased and installed SS gloss bl=
ack radiator
  overflow tank.
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased and installed overfl=
ow tank straps
  from <span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367385220470=
4ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Alexander Washick</spa=
n><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2=
605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:alw6464@=
gmail.com" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">alw6464@gmail.com</a> which a=
re powder
  coated.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed undersize water pump pulley from </span><span class=3D"gmail-m_=
-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4a=
c9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert Straghan</span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf"> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rgstraghan@yahoo.ca"; target=3D"_blank">rg=
straghan@yahoo.ca</a>&gt; scuffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed horn hole block plates from </span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-1240=
25642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb=
0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span><span class=3D"gmail-m_-1240256428082300=
83gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"=
> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dlutjen55@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">dlutjen55@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; scuffed, primed and
  painted semi gloss black.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from Gr=
iffin
  Radiator.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to m=
atch
  engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Modified the
  mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.</=
span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Mechanical
  fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hoses.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">New top
  radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller
  radiator.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">New fan
  belt.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Purchased and
  refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not wa=
nt to
  cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller
  radiator.<span>=C2=A0 </span>Stripped, primed and painted used shroud sem=
i
  gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.</span>
  </li><li class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704y=
dp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-124025=
642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0u=
ncz1vrpvf">Installed 160
  degree thermostat.</span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">So at this point
I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<span>=C2=A0 <=
/span>Other
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom =
of
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this
summer.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Results as
follows:</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Cold start with
86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood closed, c=
ar in
sun.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">5 Minutes engine
temperature 174 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">9 Minutes engine
temperature 180 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">12 Minutes
engine temperature 190 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">14 Minutes
engine temperature 195 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">16 Minutes
engine temperature 200 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Run the motor at
1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Run the motor at
2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Turn motor off
and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">All this is
recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under
dash.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">The car
temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside ambien=
t
temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Whew, maybe at
last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to =
drive
it out of town for any distance.<span>=C2=A0 </span>The Tiger=E2=80=99s fir=
st major
outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last mon=
th in
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<span>=C2=A0 </span><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_=
d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49f=
dacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</a><span>=C2=A0
</span>You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Thank you all
for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over the years.=C2=
=A0 I
am sure there will be more.<br></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Regards</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f">Joel
Martin</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp260558=
0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=3D"gmail-m_-12402564280823=
0083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpv=
f"></span>=C2=A0</p>
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0cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p></div>
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