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Your email did not have a link to an article about 160* thermostats. But I
did a quick search myself. I came up with a bunch of guys warning that
160* is too low, which makes the engine run too cold, and the oil not heat
up enough. That's true by half. The other half is internet hogwash. The
half that is right is that running too cold is bad. The half that is wrong
is drawing a bright line on the thermostat. Sure, if you have an otherwise
bone stock engine and pop in a different thermostat, you can create
issues. But the heat of the engine is also impacted by the size of the
radiator, the material of the radiator, whether or not the radiator is
black, the water pump speed, and the pulley sizes. Water that runs too
fast through the radiator doesn't have time to pull out heat from the
water. Water that runs too fast through the engine, doesn't have time to
pull out heat from the block. Water that runs too slow, doesn't pull the
heat out of the engine fast enough. So changing any one part in that
system effects the rest of the system. It could be because of OTHER
changes, the engine now needs a 160* thermostat to flow the water at the
right speed at the right time. Therefore, the test is how your engine is
cooling. It is not if or if not you have a 160* thermostat.
Off soap box.
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:55 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers <
tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
> Hi Joel;
>
> congratulations on getting your Tiger to run cool!
>
> I, like many other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating path
> for many years, and most of us have found the solution more or less in th=
e
> same way you have done.
>
> In my personal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across this
> very interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.
> You might want to re-consider your choice of thermostats.
> HOTRODSRJ@AOL.COM
>
> In another specialty car I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and
> corrected it in a similar manner. However, on this car I installed an oi=
l
> pan temperature gauge, and found it very difficult to get the engine oil =
up
> beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remedy. The water temperature =
is
> very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regardless of the load on the
> engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reach 220 deg to boil off t=
he
> H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what to do about this, besides
> changing the oil very frequently.
>
> Just some interesting info, FWIW.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Munroe B382000450LRXFE
>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers <
> tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>> All
>>
>> Thanks for the responses. I am personally PLEASED with the changes that
>> I have made. 16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes to g=
o
>> from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at least
>> based on my previous experience with idle temps rising. This allows me =
to
>> drive the car in most any and all conditions.
>>
>> I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I am missing
>> something - would not be the first time. I do live out in the country w=
ith
>> around only 90K people in the county so not much city driving.
>>
>> The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible air cavitatio=
n
>> or pockets of air than the higher flow of water.
>>
>> No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and remove=
d
>> it - did not seem to make a difference.
>> Running 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 18, 2019, 2:01:11 PM EDT, tigers-request@autox.team.net
>> <tigers-request@autox.team.net> wrote:
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>>
>> 1. Re: Tiger Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)
>> I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves o=
n
>> I can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside fro=
m the obvious
>> (clogged radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc=
.)
>> there have been other causes of high temperature readings:
>>
>> 1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the
>> voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a high=
er
>> than actual reading.
>>
>> 2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the rpm=
=E2=80=99s
>> increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose suck=
s in and pinches
>> flow. A stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source thi=
s
>> from a lawn sprinkler) prevents the collapse.
>>
>> The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recirculation
>> are helpful. I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the low=
er section
>> of the grill area and the radiator. My understanding of the air dam is
>> that it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative a=
ir
>> pressure to draw air from the engine compartment. I truly believe a shr=
oud
>> would be very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning =
hot
>> air already under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is dr=
awn
>> externally. As noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.
>>
>> In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interesting
>> to to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually go=
ing
>> on under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the hor=
n
>> openings and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade
>> man-o-meters might be informative too.
>>
>> Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump pulls
>> hot coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast throug=
h
>> the radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point,=
or
>> bad because it is less efficient than straight water. There are the peo=
ple
>> with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to t=
he
>> engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and tho=
se
>> in cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement
>> known to Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.
>>
>> In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving your
>> now running cool Tiger.
>>
>> *From:* Joel Martin via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM
>> *To:* Tiger List Serve <tigers@autox.team.net>
>> *Subject:* [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun Approach
>>
>> After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hood
>> down, I took drastic steps. I have been driving the car during the last
>> year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.
>> 2. Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washic=
k
>> alw6464@gmail.com which are powder coated.
>> 3. Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert
>> Straghan <rgstraghan@yahoo.ca> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss
>> black
>> 4. Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen <
>> dlutjen55@gmail.com> scuffed, primed and painted semi gloss black.
>> 5. Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side
>> tank radiator from Griffin Radiator.
>> 6. Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680
>> painted Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, press=
ed hub
>> to line up.
>> 7. Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=
=9D from
>> radiator.
>> 8. Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
>> 9. Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to
>> radiator hoses.
>> 10. New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit
>> taller radiator.
>> 11. New fan belt.
>> 12. Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would
>> not fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting brack=
et to
>> fit my taller radiator. Stripped, primed and painted used shroud
>> semi gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
>> 13. Installed 160 degree thermostat.
>>
>> So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a c=
ustom. Other
>> changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bott=
om
>> of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out th=
is
>> summer.
>>
>> Results as follows:
>>
>> Cold start with 86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle =
with hood
>> closed, car in sun.
>>
>> 5 Minutes engine temperature 174 degrees.
>>
>> 9 Minutes engine temperature 180 degrees.
>>
>> 12 Minutes engine temperature 190 degrees.
>>
>> 14 Minutes engine temperature 195 degrees.
>>
>> 16 Minutes engine temperature 200 degrees.
>>
>> Run the motor at 1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196=
degrees.
>>
>> Run the motor at 2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drop=
s to 194
>> degrees.
>>
>> Turn motor off and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is
>> 208 degrees.
>>
>> All this is recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located
>> under dash.
>>
>> The car temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the
>> outside ambient temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.
>>
>> Whew, maybe at last can enjoy car with a couple of things still
>> outstanding to be able to drive it out of town for any distance. The
>> Tiger=E2=80=99s first major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festiva=
l held in
>> Pinehurst NC last month in May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the ca=
rs at:
>> https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49f=
dacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html
>> You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.
>>
>> Thank you all for putting up with all my inane questions and comments
>> over the years. I am sure there will be more.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Joel Martin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Your email did not have a link to an article about 160* th=
ermostats.=C2=A0 But I did a quick search myself.=C2=A0 I came up with a bu=
nch of guys warning that 160* is too low, which makes the engine run too co=
ld, and the oil not heat up enough.=C2=A0 That's true by half.=C2=A0 Th=
e other half is internet hogwash.=C2=A0 The half that is right is that runn=
ing too cold is bad.=C2=A0 The half that is wrong is drawing a bright line =
on the thermostat.=C2=A0 Sure, if you have an otherwise bone stock engine a=
nd pop in a different thermostat, you can create issues.=C2=A0 But the heat=
of the engine is also impacted by the size of the radiator, the material o=
f the radiator, whether or not the radiator is black, the water pump speed,=
and the pulley sizes.=C2=A0 Water that runs too fast through the radiator =
doesn't have time to pull out heat from the water.=C2=A0 Water that run=
s too fast through the engine, doesn't have time to pull out heat from =
the block.=C2=A0 Water that runs too slow, doesn't pull the heat out of=
the engine fast enough.=C2=A0 So changing any one part in that system effe=
cts the rest of the system.=C2=A0 It could be because of OTHER changes, the=
engine now needs a 160* thermostat to flow the water at the right speed at=
the right time.=C2=A0 Therefore, the test is how your engine is cooling.=
=C2=A0 It is not if or if not you have a 160* thermostat.<div><br></div><di=
v>Off soap box.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at =
7:55 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"=
>tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Joel;</div><div class=
=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">=
<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-ser=
if;font-size:small">congratulations on getting your Tiger to run cool!</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-s=
ize:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:taho=
ma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I, like many other Tiger owners, have trampe=
d down this overheating path for many years, and most of us have found the =
solution more or less in the same way you have done.</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font=
-size:small">In my personal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came ac=
ross this very interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.</div><div cl=
ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:smal=
l">You might want to re-consider your choice of thermostats.=C2=A0=C2=A0<a =
href=3D"mailto:HOTRODSRJ@AOL.COM"; style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roma=
n";font-size:medium;font-weight:700" target=3D"_blank">HOTRODSRJ@AOL.C=
OM</a><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman&quo=
t;;font-size:medium;font-weight:700">=C2=A0</span></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:me=
dium;font-weight:700"><br></span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">In another specialty car=
I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and corrected it in a similar ma=
nner.=C2=A0 However, on this car I installed an oil pan temperature gauge, =
and found it very difficult to get the engine oil up beyond 180F. which I h=
ave not been able to remedy.=C2=A0The water temperature is very steady on t=
his vehicle at 195F, regardless of the load on the engine.No way is the eng=
ine oil ever going to reach 220 deg to boil off the H20 condensate in the c=
rank case. Not sure what to do about this, besides changing the oil very fr=
equently.<br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma=
,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Just some interesting in=
fo, FWIW.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,san=
s-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheers,</div><div class=3D"gma=
il_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></d=
iv><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font=
-size:small">Dave Munroe B382000450LRXFE<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16=
:25, Joel Martin via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; ta=
rget=3D"_blank">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"gmail-m_16926828374=
33975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp3a600384ya=
hoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font-family:garamond,"new york",times,se=
rif;font-size:16px"><div>All<br><div><br><div><div><div>Thanks for the resp=
onses.=C2=A0 I am personally PLEASED with the changes that I have made.=C2=
=A0 16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes to go from 174 wh=
en running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at least based on my pre=
vious experience with idle temps rising.=C2=A0 This allows me to drive the =
car in most any and all conditions.=C2=A0 <br><div><br>I guess from the res=
ponses you all do not think so - maybe I am missing something - would not b=
e the first time.=C2=A0 I do live out in the country with around only 90K p=
eople in the county so not much city driving.</div></div><div><br><div>The =
water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible air cavitation or po=
ckets of air than the higher flow of water.<br><div><br><div>No restrictor =
in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and removed it - did not se=
em to make a difference.<br>Running 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap.=
=C2=A0 <br></div></div></div></div></div><div><br>Joel<br></div></div></div=
></div><div></div>
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<div>I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves=
on I
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from the=
obvious (clogged
radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.) there hav=
e
been other causes of high temperature readings:</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the=
=20
voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a higher =
than
actual reading.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the rp=
m=E2=80=99s
increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose sucks i=
n and pinches flow. A
stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this from a la=
wn
sprinkler) prevents the collapse.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air recirculatio=
n are
helpful.=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the lower=
section of
the grill area and the radiator.=C2=A0 My understanding of the air dam is t=
hat
it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative air press=
ure
to draw air from the engine compartment.=C2=A0 I truly believe a shroud wou=
ld be
very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air alre=
ady
under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn externally.=
As
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be interestin=
g to
to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going on
under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn open=
ings
and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade man-o-meters mig=
ht be
informative too.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump pull=
s hot
coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through the
radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, or bad
because it is less efficient than straight water.=C2=A0 There are the peopl=
e
with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to the=
=20
engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and those =
in
cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement known=
to
Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving yo=
ur
now running cool Tiger.</div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div style=3D"font-family:tahoma;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-=
size:10pt;line-height:normal;font-stretch:normal">
<div><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri"></font>=C2=A0</div>
<div style=3D"background-color:rgb(245,245,245);background-image:none;backg=
round-repeat:repeat;background-size:auto">
<div><b>From:</b> <a title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:tigers@=
autox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Joel Martin via Tigers</=
a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net" href=3D"mailto:tigers@au=
tox.team.net" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank">Tiger List Serve</a> </div=
>
<div><b>Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun
Approach</div></div></div>
<div>=C2=A0</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size:small;text-decoration:none;font-family:Calibri;font=
-weight:normal;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;display:inline">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m=
_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624yahoo-style-wrap" style=3D"font=
-size:16px;font-family:garamond,"new york",times,serif">
<div>
<div>After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the hoo=
d
down, I took drastic steps.<span>=C2=A0 </span>I have been driving the car=
=20
during the last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in;list-style-position:inside" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-=
m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchase=
d and installed SS gloss black radiator
overflow tank.
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Pur=
chased and installed overflow tank straps
from <span class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-12402564280823008=
3gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidz=
ssg">Alexander Washick</span><span class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmai=
l-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624y=
dp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:alw6464@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nof=
ollow" target=3D"_blank">alw6464@gmail.com</a> which are powder
coated.</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed undersize water pump pulley from </span><span class=3D"gmail-m_=
1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704yd=
p2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert Straghan</span><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:rgstraghan@yahoo.ca"; target=3D"_blank">rgstraghan@yahoo.ca</a>=
> scuffed, primed and
painted semi gloss black</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed horn hole block plates from </span><span class=3D"gmail-m_16926=
82837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605=
580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don Lutjen</span><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> <<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:dlutjen55@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dlutjen55@gmail.com</a>> scu=
ffed, primed and
painted semi gloss black.</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from Gr=
iffin
Radiator.</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue to m=
atch
engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Modified t=
he
mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D from radiator.</=
span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Mechanical
fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hoses.</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New top
radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller
radiator.</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New fan
belt.</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not wa=
nt to
cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller
radiator.<span>=C2=A0 </span>Stripped, primed and painted used shroud sem=
i
gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.</span>
</li><li class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083g=
mail-m_4323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><sp=
an class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Installed =
160
degree thermostat.</span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">So at this point
I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<span>=C2=A0 <=
/span>Other
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to bottom =
of
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this
summer.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Results as
follows:</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Cold start with
86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood closed, c=
ar in
sun.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">5 Minutes engine
temperature 174 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">9 Minutes engine
temperature 180 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">12 Minutes
engine temperature 190 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">14 Minutes
engine temperature 195 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">16 Minutes
engine temperature 200 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at
1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 degrees.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the motor at
2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 degrees.</s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Turn motor off
and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 degrees.</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">All this is
recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under
dash.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">The car
temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside ambien=
t
temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Whew, maybe at
last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able to =
drive
it out of town for any distance.<span>=C2=A0 </span>The Tiger=E2=80=99s fir=
st major
outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last mon=
th in
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<span>=C2=A0 </span><a h=
ref=3D"https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_=
d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blan=
k">https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collection_d49f=
dacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</a><span>=C2=A0
</span>You might have to copy and paste link into your browser.</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Thank you all
for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over the years.=C2=
=A0 I
am sure there will be more.<br></span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Regards</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Joel
Martin</span></p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span class=
=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312367=
3852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"></span>=C2=A0</p>
<p class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_4=
323123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p><=
/div>
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