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The only thing a 160 stat will do is open up sooner. If your engine =
wants to run at 195, it will no matter what stat is in it. The issue =
with a 160 is that if it is a cold day, your engine may never get over =
160 which is IMO too cold. The flow rate of a 160 and a 180 stat is the =
same. 2 cents
> On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Jay Laifman via Tigers =
<tigers@autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Your email did not have a link to an article about 160* thermostats. =
But I did a quick search myself. I came up with a bunch of guys warning =
that 160* is too low, which makes the engine run too cold, and the oil =
not heat up enough. That's true by half. The other half is internet =
hogwash. The half that is right is that running too cold is bad. The =
half that is wrong is drawing a bright line on the thermostat. Sure, if =
you have an otherwise bone stock engine and pop in a different =
thermostat, you can create issues. But the heat of the engine is also =
impacted by the size of the radiator, the material of the radiator, =
whether or not the radiator is black, the water pump speed, and the =
pulley sizes. Water that runs too fast through the radiator doesn't =
have time to pull out heat from the water. Water that runs too fast =
through the engine, doesn't have time to pull out heat from the block. =
Water that runs too slow, doesn't pull the heat out of the engine fast =
enough. So changing any one part in that system effects the rest of the =
system. It could be because of OTHER changes, the engine now needs a =
160* thermostat to flow the water at the right speed at the right time. =
Therefore, the test is how your engine is cooling. It is not if or if =
not you have a 160* thermostat.
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> Off soap box.
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> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:55 AM Dave Munroe via Tigers =
> Hi Joel;
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> congratulations on getting your Tiger to run cool!
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> I, like many other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating =
path for many years, and most of us have found the solution more or less =
in the same way you have done.
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> In my personal search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across =
this very interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.
> You might want to re-consider your choice of thermostats. =
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> In another specialty car I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and =
corrected it in a similar manner. However, on this car I installed an =
oil pan temperature gauge, and found it very difficult to get the engine =
oil up beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remedy. The water =
temperature is very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regardless of the =
load on the engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reach 220 deg =
to boil off the H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what to do =
about this, besides changing the oil very frequently.
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> Just some interesting info, FWIW.
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> Cheers,
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> Dave Munroe B382000450LRXFE
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> On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers =
> All
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> Thanks for the responses. I am personally PLEASED with the changes =
that I have made. 16 minutes at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes =
to go from 174 when running to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at =
least based on my previous experience with idle temps rising. This =
allows me to drive the car in most any and all conditions. =20
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> I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I am =
missing something - would not be the first time. I do live out in the =
country with around only 90K people in the county so not much city =
driving.
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> The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible air =
cavitation or pockets of air than the higher flow of water.
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> No restrictor in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and =
removed it - did not seem to make a difference.
> Running 50/50 green antifreeze and 16 psi cap. =20
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> 1. Re: Tiger Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)
> I know this has been a long running problem for you. And as time moves =
on I can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside =
from the obvious (clogged radiator/engine, blades eroded off water =
pumps, air pockets etc.) there have been other causes of high =
temperature readings:
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> 1. There might not actually be a problem with the cooling. Rather the =
voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a =
higher than actual reading.
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> 2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically happens as the =
rpm=E2=80=99s increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the =
lower hose sucks in and pinches flow. A stainless steel spring set =
internal to the hose (many source this from a lawn sprinkler) prevents =
the collapse.
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> The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot air =
recirculation are helpful. I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum =
between the lower section of the grill area and the radiator. My =
understanding of the air dam is that it is more effective at speed. I =
was told it generates a negative air pressure to draw air from the =
engine compartment. I truly believe a shroud would be very helpful. =
Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air already under =
the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn externally. As =
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.
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> In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would be =
interesting to to do the old school yarn application and observe what is =
actually going on under the hood, under the car, and the external areas =
such as the horn openings and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well =
placed homemade man-o-meters might be informative too.
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> Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow water pump =
pulls hot coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast =
through the radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the =
boiling point, or bad because it is less efficient than straight water. =
There are the people with a stock cooling system (and sometimes =
performance enhancements to the engine) that claim they never have a =
heat issue in a hot climate and those in cooler climates that have stock =
engines and every cooling enhancement known to Tigerdom and they =
constantly have issues.
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> In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the summer driving =
your now running cool Tiger.
> =20
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 AM
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =E2=80=93 Shotgun Approach
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> After about a year of struggling with overheating at idle with the =
hood down, I took drastic steps. I have been driving the car during the =
last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic lights.
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> Purchased and installed SS gloss black radiator overflow tank.
> Purchased and installed overflow tank straps from Alexander Washick =
> Purchased and installed undersize water pump pulley from Robert =
primed and painted semi gloss black
> Purchased and installed horn hole block plates from Don Lutjen =
painted semi gloss black.
> Purchased and installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank =
radiator from Griffin Radiator.
> Purchased and installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted =
Ford dark blue to match engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to =
line up.
> Modified the mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D =
from radiator.
> Mechanical fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.
> Purchased and installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator =
hoses.
> New top radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit =
taller radiator.
> New fan belt.
> Purchased and refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not =
fit as I did not want to cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to =
fit my taller radiator. Stripped, primed and painted used shroud semi =
gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.
> Installed 160 degree thermostat.
> So at this point I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a =
custom. Other changes could make is front air dam and block front cross =
member to bottom of radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how =
things play out this summer.
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> Results as follows:
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> Cold start with 86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at =
idle with hood closed, car in sun.
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> 5 Minutes engine temperature 174 degrees.
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> 9 Minutes engine temperature 180 degrees.
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> 12 Minutes engine temperature 190 degrees.
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> 14 Minutes engine temperature 195 degrees.
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> 16 Minutes engine temperature 200 degrees.
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> Run the motor at 1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to =
196 degrees.
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> Run the motor at 2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature =
drops to 194 degrees.
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> Turn motor off and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak =
is 208 degrees.
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> All this is recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge =
located under dash.
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> The car temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the =
outside ambient temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.
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> Whew, maybe at last can enjoy car with a couple of things still =
outstanding to be able to drive it out of town for any distance. The =
Tiger=E2=80=99s first major outing was at the Sandhills Motoring =
Festival held in Pinehurst NC last month in May =E2=80=93 you can get a =
glimpse of the cars at: =
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> Thank you all for putting up with all my inane questions and comments =
over the years. I am sure there will be more.
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> Regards
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">The =
only thing a 160 stat will do is open up sooner. If your engine wants to =
run at 195, it will no matter what stat is in it. The issue with a 160 =
is that if it is a cold day, your engine may never get over 160 which is =
IMO too cold. The flow rate of a 160 and a 180 stat is the same. 2 =
cents<br class=3D""><div><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Jun 20, 2019, at 10:57 AM, Jay Laifman via =
Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"">Your email did not have a link to an article about 160* =
thermostats. But I did a quick search myself. I came up with =
a bunch of guys warning that 160* is too low, which makes the engine run =
too cold, and the oil not heat up enough. That's true by =
half. The other half is internet hogwash. The half that is =
right is that running too cold is bad. The half that is wrong is =
drawing a bright line on the thermostat. Sure, if you have an =
otherwise bone stock engine and pop in a different thermostat, you can =
create issues. But the heat of the engine is also impacted by the =
size of the radiator, the material of the radiator, whether or not the =
radiator is black, the water pump speed, and the pulley sizes. =
Water that runs too fast through the radiator doesn't have time to pull =
out heat from the water. Water that runs too fast through the =
engine, doesn't have time to pull out heat from the block. Water =
that runs too slow, doesn't pull the heat out of the engine fast =
enough. So changing any one part in that system effects the rest =
of the system. It could be because of OTHER changes, the engine =
now needs a 160* thermostat to flow the water at the right speed at the =
right time. Therefore, the test is how your engine is =
cooling. It is not if or if not you have a 160* thermostat.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Off soap box.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div =
dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:55 AM Dave =
Munroe via Tigers <<a href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi =
Joel;</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">congratulations =
on getting your Tiger to run cool!</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">I, like many =
other Tiger owners, have tramped down this overheating path for many =
years, and most of us have found the solution more or less in the same =
way you have done.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">In my personal =
search for Tiger temperature nirvana, I came across this very =
interesting article regarding 160F Thermostats.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">You might want =
to re-consider your choice of thermostats. <a =
href=3D"mailto:HOTRODSRJ@AOL.COM"; style=3D"font-family: "Times New =
Roman"; font-size: 12px; font-weight: 700;" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">HOTRODSRJ@AOL.COM</a><span style=3D"font-family: "Times =
New Roman"; font-size: 12px; font-weight: 700;" =
class=3D""> </span></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span =
style=3D"font-family: "Times New Roman"; font-size: 12px; =
font-weight: 700;" class=3D""><br class=3D""></span></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">In another =
specialty car I run regularly, I had a similar problem, and corrected it =
in a similar manner. However, on this car I installed an oil pan =
temperature gauge, and found it very difficult to get the engine oil up =
beyond 180F. which I have not been able to remedy. The water =
temperature is very steady on this vehicle at 195F, regardless of the =
load on the engine.No way is the engine oil ever going to reach 220 deg =
to boil off the H20 condensate in the crank case. Not sure what to do =
about this, besides changing the oil very frequently.<br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Just some =
interesting info, FWIW.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Cheers,</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dave Munroe =
B382000450LRXFE<br class=3D""></div></div><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, 18 =
Jun 2019 at 16:25, Joel Martin via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">tigers@autox.team.net</a>> wrote:<br =
class=3D""></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px =
0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid =
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D""><div =
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3123673852204704ydp3a600384yahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-family:garamond,"new =
york",times,serif;font-size:16px"><div class=3D"">All<br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div class=3D"">Thanks for the responses. I am =
personally PLEASED with the changes that I have made. 16 minutes =
at idle to reach 200 degrees or 11 minutes to go from 174 when running =
to 200 degrees, I think is pretty good, at least based on my previous =
experience with idle temps rising. This allows me to drive the car =
in most any and all conditions. <br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">I guess from the responses you all do not think so - maybe I =
am missing something - would not be the first time. I do live out =
in the country with around only 90K people in the county so not much =
city driving.</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">The water pump upgrade was made more for reducing possible =
air cavitation or pockets of air than the higher flow of water.<br =
class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div class=3D"">No restrictor =
in upper hose at this point - tried in the past and removed it - did not =
seem to make a difference.<br class=3D"">Running 50/50 green antifreeze =
and 16 psi cap. <br class=3D""></div></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Joel<br class=3D""></div></div></div></div><div =
class=3D""></div>
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"Re: Contents of Tigers digest..."<br class=3D""></div>Today's =
Topics:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> 1. Re: Tiger =
Overheating ? Shotgun Approach (Tom Witt)<br class=3D""><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312=
3673852204704ydp2605580cymsg84374" =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cymsg9944149083"><div =
id=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432312=
3673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624" class=3D"">
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<div style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">I know this has been a long running problem for you. And =
as time moves on I
can=E2=80=99t remember what has or hasn=E2=80=99t been said. Aside from =
the obvious (clogged
radiator/engine, blades eroded off water pumps, air pockets etc.) there =
have
been other causes of high temperature readings:</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">1. There might not actually be a problem with the =
cooling. Rather the=20
voltage regulator for the temp gauge may be defective and causing a =
higher than
actual reading.</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">2. The lower radiator hose collapses. This typically =
happens as the rpm=E2=80=99s
increase (so not an =E2=80=9Cat idle=E2=80=9D issue) the lower hose =
sucks in and pinches flow. A
stainless steel spring set internal to the hose (many source this from a =
lawn
sprinkler) prevents the collapse.</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">The blocking plates and other means of preventing hot =
air recirculation are
helpful. I=E2=80=99ve seen a flat sheet of aluminum between the =
lower section of
the grill area and the radiator. My understanding of the air dam =
is that
it is more effective at speed. I was told it generates a negative air =
pressure
to draw air from the engine compartment. I truly believe a shroud =
would be
very helpful. Otherwise to some extent you are simply churning hot air =
already
under the hood. A well fitting shroud would ensure air is drawn =
externally. As
noted others have found an electric pusher fan helpful.</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">In this day and age of the GoPro camera I think it would =
be interesting to
to do the old school yarn application and observe what is actually going =
on
under the hood, under the car, and the external areas such as the horn =
openings
and proposed air dam areas etc. A few well placed homemade man-o-meters =
might be
informative too.</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">Then there are the arguments as to whether a high flow =
water pump pulls hot
coolant out of the engine faster (good) or pushes it too fast through =
the
radiator (bad). Is coolant good because it raises the boiling point, or =
bad
because it is less efficient than straight water. There are the =
people
with a stock cooling system (and sometimes performance enhancements to =
the=20
engine) that claim they never have a heat issue in a hot climate and =
those in
cooler climates that have stock engines and every cooling enhancement =
known to
Tigerdom and they constantly have issues.</div>
<div class=3D""> </div>
<div class=3D"">In the end I hope you are successful and enjoy a the =
summer driving your
now running cool Tiger.</div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;" =
class=3D"">
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:10pt;line-height:normal;font-stretch:normal" class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><font size=3D"3" face=3D"Calibri" =
class=3D""></font> </div>
<div =
style=3D"background-color:rgb(245,245,245);background-image:none;backgroun=
d-repeat:repeat;background-size:auto" class=3D"">
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> <a title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net"=
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">Joel Martin via Tigers</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:04 =
AM</div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a title=3D"tigers@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">Tiger List Serve</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> [Tigers] Tiger Overheating =
=E2=80=93 Shotgun
Approach</div></div></div>
<div class=3D""> </div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;" =
class=3D"">
<div =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624yahoo-style-wrap" =
style=3D"font-size:16px;font-family:garamond,"new =
york",times,serif">
<div class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">After about a year of struggling with overheating at =
idle with the hood
down, I took drastic steps.<span class=3D""> </span>I have been =
driving the car=20
during the last year only on back roads with no chance of traffic =
lights.
<div class=3D""> <br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in;list-style-position:inside" type=3D"1" =
class=3D"">
<li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased =
and installed SS gloss black radiator
overflow tank.
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal">Purchased =
and installed overflow tank straps
from <span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Alexan=
der Washick</span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> <a =
href=3D"mailto:alw6464@gmail.com"; rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">alw6464@gmail.com</a> which are powder
coated.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed undersize water pump pulley from </span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Robert=
Straghan</span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rgstraghan@yahoo.ca"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">rgstraghan@yahoo.ca</a>> scuffed, primed and
painted semi gloss black</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed horn hole block plates from </span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0dfrtlirtlidzssg">Don =
Lutjen</span><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf"> <<a =
href=3D"mailto:dlutjen55@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">dlutjen55@gmail.com</a>> scuffed, primed and
painted semi gloss black.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed new taller Tiger aluminum cross flow side tank radiator from =
Griffin
Radiator.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed new Flow Kooler water pump BRA-1680 painted Ford dark blue =
to match
engine replacing SS water pump, pressed hub to line up.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Modified =
the
mechanical fan spacer so that front of fan is 1=E2=80=9D from =
radiator.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Mechanical
fan remains Flex-a-lite 14=E2=80=9D nylon 6 blade fan.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
installed new SS lower radiator and overflow to radiator hoses.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New top
radiator hose from local source as SS hose would not fit taller
radiator.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">New fan
belt.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Purchased =
and
refurbished original Tiger fan shroud which would not fit as I did not =
want to
cut a original shroud top mounting bracket to fit my taller
radiator.<span class=3D""> </span>Stripped, primed and painted =
used shroud semi
gloss black =E2=80=93 sitting on shelf.</span>
</li><li =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Installed =
160
degree thermostat.</span></li></ol><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">So at =
this point
I do not have a fan shroud =E2=80=93 unless make up a custom.<span =
class=3D""> </span>Other
changes could make is front air dam and block front cross member to =
bottom of
radiator spacing but for now I am going to see how things play out this
summer.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Results =
as
follows:</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Cold =
start with
86 degree ambient outside temperature =E2=80=93 at idle with hood =
closed, car in
sun.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">5 Minutes =
engine
temperature 174 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">9 Minutes =
engine
temperature 180 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">12 =
Minutes
engine temperature 190 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">14 =
Minutes
engine temperature 195 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">16 =
Minutes
engine temperature 200 degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the =
motor at
1500 rpm=E2=80=99s for 1minute temperature drops to 196 =
degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Run the =
motor at
2000 rpm=E2=80=99s for another 1minute temperature drops to 194 =
degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Turn =
motor off
and in a total of 27 minutes from startup - heat soak is 208 =
degrees.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">All this =
is
recorded from temporary mechanical temperature gauge located under
dash.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">The car
temperature at any speed is at 174 degrees regardless of the outside =
ambient
temperature from 50=E2=80=99s to mid 90=E2=80=99s.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Whew, =
maybe at
last can enjoy car with a couple of things still outstanding to be able =
to drive
it out of town for any distance.<span class=3D""> </span>The =
Tiger=E2=80=99s first major
outing was at the Sandhills Motoring Festival held in Pinehurst NC last =
month in
May =E2=80=93 you can get a glimpse of the cars at:<span class=3D""> =
</span><a =
href=3D"https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collectio=
n_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html" rel=3D"nofollow" =
target=3D"_blank" =
class=3D"">https://www.thepilot.com/gallery/concours-in-the-village/collec=
tion_d49fdacc-8091-11e9-86df-2b8021a08259.html</a><span class=3D"">
</span>You might have to copy and paste link into your =
browser.</span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Thank you =
all
for putting up with all my inane questions and comments over the =
years. I
am sure there will be more.<br class=3D""></span></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0MsoNormal"><span =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
3123673852204704ydp2605580cyiv7361261624ydp4ac9ecb0uncz1vrpvf">Regards</sp=
an></p><p =
class=3D"gmail-m_1692682837433975503gmail-m_-124025642808230083gmail-m_432=
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