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Jim
Excellent, period photos are valuable for original =
details.
Any chance you know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the =
Vin # of that Mk II?
=20
Ron Fraser
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via =
Tigers
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM
To: Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>; James Lindner =
<jliny5@cox.net>
Cc: Tigers@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
=20
I have an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken =
by Road & Track when they tested the car. You used to be able to buy =
copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks. I requested copies of =
the MKI, but they couldn't find them.
=20
Jim D
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-------- Original message --------
From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers@autox.team.net =
Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00)=20
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners=20
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Jim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinary.
=20
A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help =
however, deepening the substances of his primary resource.
=20
A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II =
Tiger.
=20
They offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed =
here.
=20
Unfortunately I lost their card.
=20
Other opportunities exist.
=20
=20
=20
Sent from my iPhone
On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers =
=EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the =
Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents =
took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of =
restored cars, the information contained within came from some of the =
most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is =
absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty close.
=20
The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too =
deep.=20
=20
https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickRefer=
enceV2-19.pdf
=20
The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
=20
https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Gui=
de-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be =
adding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other =
updates/corrections. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge =
fasteners.
=20
Jim Lindner
=20
=20
Sent from my iPad
On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com =
=EF=BB=BFMayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on =
the List
received it.
What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
original Tiger to send photos to the List.
Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and =
B3821.
I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
Ron Fraser
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal =
and
stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. None are
painted. And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint
shops knew not to paint them.=20
mayf
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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net =
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard@ix.netcom.com =
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
Allan
The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the =
trunk
hinge
2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the =
word
Special is not there.
This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license =
plate
screw.
I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
Ron Fraser
-----Original Message-----
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Tigers
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net =
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
These are going on my Forest
Green Mk1a Tiger:
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Excellent, period photos are valuable =
for original details.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Any chance you =
know the month and year of that R&T issue or maybe the Vin # of that =
Mk II?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Ron Fraser<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Tigers =
<tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> <b>On Behalf Of </b>jimdamelio via =
Tigers<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, May 15, 2022 8:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> Allan =
Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com>; James Lindner =
<jliny5@cox.net><br><b>Cc:</b> =
Tigers@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk =
hinge fasteners<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>I have =
an 8 X 10 B&W photo of a MKII engine compartment and trunk taken by =
Road & Track when they tested the car. You used to be able to =
buy copies of the pictures from them for a few bucks. I requested =
copies of the MKI, but they couldn't find =
them.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"composer_signature"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;color:#575757'>Sent from my =
Galaxy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>-------- Original message =
--------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From: Allan Ballard via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Date: 5/15/22 7:36 PM (GMT-05:00) =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>To: James Lindner <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jliny5@cox.net";>jliny5@cox.net</a>> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:Tigers@autox.team.net";>Tigers@autox.team.net</a> =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge =
fasteners <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is =
extraordinary.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help =
however, deepening the substances of his primary =
resource.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A =
while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II =
Tiger.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>They offered its use for just such purposes as =
we=E2=80=99ve discussed here.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Unfortunately I lost their =
card.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Other opportunities exist.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent =
from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James =
Lindner via Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>=EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would =
direct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. =
These documents took me years to put together, and although the photos =
are often of restored cars, the information contained within came from =
some of the most knowledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear =
it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it is pretty =
close.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages =
it does not go too deep. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQu=
ickReferenceV2-19.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/=
08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and =
runs to 130 pages.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><a =
href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Jud=
ging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uplo=
ads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf</a><br><br>These =
are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be adding =
the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other =
updates/corrections. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge =
fasteners.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim Lindner<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Sent =
from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser =
<<a href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com";>rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>=EF=BB=BFMayf sent me this note and I =
wanted to make sure everyone on the List<br>received it.<br><br>What I =
think we need is a photo record from any original owner with =
an<br>original Tiger to send photos to the List.<br><br>Photos of each =
Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.<br>I also =
think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.<br><br>Ron =
Fraser<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Larry Mayfield <<a =
href=3D"mailto:drmayf@mayfco.com";>drmayf@mayfco.com</a>> <br>Sent: =
Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM<br>To: 'Ron Fraser' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:rfraser@bluefrog.com";>rfraser@bluefrog.com</a>><br>Subj=
ect: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br><br>Ron, mine are =
OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and<br>stud =
and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. None =
are<br>painted. And my car has been painted 3 times since I =
acquired it. Paint<br>shops knew not to paint them. =
<br><br>mayf<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-bounces@autox.team.n=
et</a>> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser<br>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 =
AM<br>To: 'Allan Ballard' <<a =
href=3D"mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com";>aballard@ix.netcom.com</a>><br>=
Cc: <a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@Autox.Team.Net";>tigers@Autox.Team.Net</a><br>Subjec=
t: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br><br>Allan<br> =
The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not =
correct.<br><br>The fasteners should be natural color, not =
painted.<br>The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then =
installed.<br><br>The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & =
II section for the trunk<br>hinge<br>2203571 Screw, =
1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special<br>This screw is also listed for the =
Series III & IV trunk hinge but the word<br>Special is not =
there.<br><br>This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the =
Parts List.<br><br>Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw =
much like a license plate<br>screw.<br><br>I know my trunk hinge =
fasteners are not original so no help there.<br><br>Ron =
Fraser<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Tigers <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers-bounces@autox.team.net";>tigers-bounces@autox.team.n=
et</a>> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via<br>Tigers<br>Sent: Saturday, =
May 14, 2022 1:39 AM<br>To: Jay Laifman <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jay.laifman@gmail.com";>jay.laifman@gmail.com</a>><br>Cc=
: Tiger List List <<a =
href=3D"mailto:tigers@autox.team.net";>tigers@autox.team.net</a>><br>Su=
bject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners<br><br>These are going =
on my Forest<br>Green Mk1a =
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