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Allan
If you do not mind, I will add the MkII period photos to the Tiger guide. If=
OK and you have any more period photos of Tigers please pass them along. I t=
ried making copies of the photos in the articles online, but a photo of a co=
py and then enlarging just does not work.
Thanks
Jim
Sent from my iPad
> On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard@ix.netcom.com> wrote:=
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFJim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpines is extraordinar=
y.
>=20
> A library of supplemental photographs from original cars could only help h=
owever, deepening the substances of his primary resource.
>=20
> A while ago at a show I met a couple with an unmolested, original Mk II Ti=
ger.
>=20
> They offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed her=
e.
>=20
> Unfortunately I lost their card.
>=20
> Other opportunities exist.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tigers@autox.tea=
m.net> wrote:
>>>=20
>> =EF=BB=BFAlong the lines of a photo library, I would direct you to the Ti=
ger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These documents took me y=
ears to put together, and although the photos are often of restored cars, th=
e information contained within came from some of the most knowledgeable Tige=
r and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% accurate, but it i=
s pretty close.
>>=20
>> The Tiger guide was my first effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too d=
eep.=20
>>=20
>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/StockTigerQuickRefer=
enceV2-19.pdf
>>=20
>> The Alpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.
>>=20
>> https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Gui=
de-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf
>>=20
>> These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be ad=
ding the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/corre=
ctions. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.
>>=20
>> Jim Lindner
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>>>> On May 15, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>> =EF=BB=BFMayf sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on th=
e List
>>> received it.
>>>=20
>>> What I think we need is a photo record from any original owner with an
>>> original Tiger to send photos to the List.
>>>=20
>>> Photos of each Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B38=
21.
>>> I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.
>>>=20
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com>=20
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM
>>> To: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser@bluefrog.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>=20
>>> Ron, mine are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal a=
nd
>>> stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. None are
>>> painted. And my car has been painted 3 times since I acquired it. Paint=
>>> shops knew not to paint them.=20
>>>=20
>>> mayf
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 4:56 AM
>>> To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard@ix.netcom.com>
>>> Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>=20
>>> Allan
>>> The photo evidence indicates that the Parts List is not correct.
>>>=20
>>> The fasteners should be natural color, not painted.
>>> The trunk lid would be painted 1st, paint cured then installed.
>>>=20
>>> The March 1963 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the tru=
nk
>>> hinge
>>> 2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Special
>>> This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV trunk hinge but the wo=
rd
>>> Special is not there.
>>>=20
>>> This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Parts List.
>>>=20
>>> Your pictures look like a large headed Round Screw much like a license p=
late
>>> screw.
>>>=20
>>> I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so no help there.
>>>=20
>>> Ron Fraser
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard v=
ia
>>> Tigers
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM
>>> To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners
>>>=20
>>> These are going on my Forest
>>> Green Mk1a Tiger:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Allan<div><br></div><div>If you do not mind=
, I will add the MkII period photos to the Tiger guide. If OK and you have a=
ny more period photos of Tigers please pass them along. I tried making copie=
s of the photos in the articles online, but a photo of a copy and then enlar=
ging just does not work.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div=
><div>Jim<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><b=
r><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2022, at 7:35 PM, Allan Ballard <a=
ballard@ix.netcom.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D=
"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D=
"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Jim=E2=80=99s work to document Tigers and Alpin=
es is extraordinary.<div><br><div>A library of supplemental photographs from=
original cars could only help however, deepening the substances of hi=
s primary resource.</div><div><br></div><div>A while ago at a show I met a c=
ouple with an unmolested, original Mk II Tiger.</div><div><br></div><div>The=
y offered its use for just such purposes as we=E2=80=99ve discussed here.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>Unfortunately I lost their card.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Other opportunities exist.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br>=
<div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPhone</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote t=
ype=3D"cite">On May 15, 2022, at 12:43 PM, James Lindner via Tigers <tige=
rs@autox.team.net> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"=
text/html; charset=3Dutf-8">Along the lines of a photo library, I would dire=
ct you to the Tiger and Alpine Judging guides on the TEAE website. These doc=
uments took me years to put together, and although the photos are often of r=
estored cars, the information contained within came from some of the most kn=
owledgeable Tiger and Alpine people. I cannot swear it is absolutely 100% ac=
curate, but it is pretty close.<div><br></div><div>The Tiger guide was my fi=
rst effort and at 30+ pages it does not go too deep. </div><div><br></d=
iv><div><a href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Stoc=
kTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/=
2019/08/StockTigerQuickReferenceV2-19.pdf</a></div><div><br></div><div>The A=
lpine guide however, is more comprehensive and runs to 130 pages.</div><div>=
<br></div><div><a href=3D"https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-content/uploads/2021/=
09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf">https://www.teae.org/cars/wp-=
content/uploads/2021/09/Concours-Judging-Guide-Sunbeam-Alpines.pdf</a><br><b=
r>These are living documents which I update occasionally. Soon I will be add=
ing the info about hinge fasteners, along with a couple other updates/correc=
tions. OBTW=E2=80=A6I am going with unpainted hinge fasteners.</div><div><br=
></div><div>Jim Lindner</div><div><br></div><div><br><div dir=3D"ltr">Sent f=
rom my iPad</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 15, 2=
022, at 12:10 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser@bluefrog.com> wrote:<br><br></bl=
ockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<span>May=
f sent me this note and I wanted to make sure everyone on the List</span><br=
><span>received it.</span><br><span></span><br><span>What I think we need is=
a photo record from any original owner with an</span><br><span>original Tig=
er to send photos to the List.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Photos of ea=
ch Tiger Series would be the goal - B947, B948, B382 and B3821.</span><br><s=
pan>I also think photos of each Alpine Series would be helpful.</span><br><s=
pan></span><br><span>Ron Fraser</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Origin=
al Message-----</span><br><span>From: Larry Mayfield <drmayf@mayfco.com&g=
t; </span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 10:49 AM</span><br><span>To=
: 'Ron Fraser' <rfraser@bluefrog.com></span><br><span>Subject: RE: [Ti=
gers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ron, mi=
ne are OEM. Round slot screws where they run on the weather seal and</span><=
br><span>stud and nut other side through the deck and into the hinge. =
None are</span><br><span>painted. And my car has been painted 3 times s=
ince I acquired it. Paint</span><br><span>shops knew not to paint them. </sp=
an><br><span></span><br><span>mayf</span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Ori=
ginal Message-----</span><br><span>From: Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.tea=
m.net> On Behalf Of Ron Fraser</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 20=
22 4:56 AM</span><br><span>To: 'Allan Ballard' <aballard@ix.netcom.com>=
;</span><br><span>Cc: tigers@Autox.Team.Net</span><br><span>Subject: Re: [Ti=
gers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><span>Allan</=
span><br><span> The photo evidence indicates that the Parts Lis=
t is not correct.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The fasteners should be n=
atural color, not painted.</span><br><span>The trunk lid would be painted 1s=
t, paint cured then installed.</span><br><span></span><br><span>The March 19=
63 shows this screw in the Series I & II section for the trunk</span><br=
><span>hinge</span><br><span>2203571 Screw, 1/4" UNF. X 1/2" Sp=
ecial</span><br><span>This screw is also listed for the Series III & IV t=
runk hinge but the word</span><br><span>Special is not there.</span><br><spa=
n></span><br><span>This screw # does not show up in the ZY section of the Pa=
rts List.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Your pictures look like a large h=
eaded Round Screw much like a license plate</span><br><span>screw.</span><br=
><span></span><br><span>I know my trunk hinge fasteners are not original so n=
o help there.</span><br><span></span><br><span>Ron Fraser</span><br><span></=
span><br><span></span><br><span>-----Original
Message-----</span><br><span>From:=
Tigers <tigers-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Allan Ballard via=
</span><br><span>Tigers</span><br><span>Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 1:39 AM=
</span><br><span>To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman@gmail.com></span><br><sp=
an>Cc: Tiger List List <tigers@autox.team.net></span><br><span>Subject=
: Re: [Tigers] Correct trunk hinge fasteners</span><br><span></span><br><spa=
n>These are going on my Forest</span><br><span>Green Mk1a Tiger:</span><br><=
span></span><br><span></span><br><span></span><br><span>____________________=
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