Mark,
Nicely put. I realize that in the "old" Internet world paying for listserv
was a big no-no. In today's day and age with PC penetration and Internet
usage approaching 50% of households, I don't think it's unreasonable to
charge for the service. What's unreasonable is you having to "beg" for
money. You provide a free service yet we "demand" perfection...........
servers always up and running, no duplicate emails, instant delivery etc.
etc. What's this service worth to us? Is there anyone on the list who
wouldn't pay $1.00 a month for the service........... $12.00 a year??? I'm
willing to guess we've all saved 10 times that amount in advice........
free advice. How about, when someone first signs up for the service, run it
through a billing service and charge it to their credit card?
As you pointed out, the options are deteriorating service (a real
possibility), advertising (potential revenue source) or ................ how
about doing what some other lists do........... sell the email addresses to
direct marketers or spammers (please don't do that)!! Another option would
be to let it crash and don't bring it back up for a week or two. I bet lots
of money would flow in then!
My checks in the mail............ and it'll be way more then $12.00.
Bob Danielson
75 TR6 - status at
http://pages.cthome.net/BobD
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-triumphs@autox.team.net
[mailto:owner-triumphs@autox.team.net]On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 1999 2:35 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: A new world? [Long, but important.]
Last week, many of the folks here in the U.S. of A observed what we call
Columbus Day. It comemmerates the voyage of Christopher Columbus and his
"discovery" of the New World. Columbus took off for unknown territory in
search of new trade routes, thinking he'd find one thing, and found another.
And it is getting to the point where I may do a similar thing with Team.Net,
taking off in an unknown direction, without knowing how it will turn out.
The current situation is that the 80 or so Team.Net lists [1], their roughly
14,000 subscribers, the www.team.net web pages, the ftp.team.net FTP
archives
are all handled by an old computer tucked off in the corner of the machine
room
here in the Department of Computer Science at the University of Utah. And
doing
the care and feeding of that server is me, just one person.
*** What I would like to do:
- Replace the server with at least one new box. Perhaps split off the web
and ftp from the mailer machine, so having one service blow up the server
doesn't topple the others.
Why? The current hardware is sort of still working. You got this
message,
didn't you? One of the disks that was donated during my last plea is
making
WAY too much noise, and will likely kiss the turf in the very near
future.
This stuff doesn't last forever. I've actually shuffled stuff around, if
the
disk does fail soon, there should be minimal loss of service.
- Divorce the Team.Net box from the University. Rather than keeping it
hanging off some U of U wire, get sufficient bandwidth at home or the
shop
or somewhere to support the traffic loads for the foreseeable future.
Why? Basically, to keep some sort of equipment replacement fund on hand,
I'd like to find some way of generating a modest bit of income from all
this
work. And while it would be nice if all of the 14,000 subscribers
mentioned
above would send me, say, 7.95 every year to cover each of their list
subscriptions, that is unlikely to happen. So I'm thinking of commercial
sponsorships, perhaps some advertising, maybe a classified cars and parts
service for a modest fee, whatever. But doing anything like that using
University resources is not the way to go.
*** What it will take:
- Money. Basically enough funding to purchase the required hardware, to
cover
the installation fees of a network line of some sort set up somewhere,
and
enough to cover several months of the ongoing line charges and such,
while
I ponder various income schemes. Looking for those new trade routes, so
to
speak.
- Time. I'll provide this.
*** What I request of you:
- Contribute money. You *knew* this was coming, didn't you? Send a
check,
made payable to Fat Chance Garage, to this address:
Fat Chance Garage
PO Box 58333
Salt Lake City, Utah 84158
Simple, eh? Now, the few times over the last decade or so I've done this,
I've gotten many offers from folks willing to throw in some unused, surplus
hardware of various types. For example, the failing disk I mention above.
In truth, I'd rather go out and purchase new stuff, which comes with a
warranty
and someone I can pepper with complaints if need be. I think that is the
best
route in the long run.
Also, for those many list folks who are not in the US of A, don't worry
about
it. Usually, a check from out of the country costs me more in service
charges,
currency conversion and hassle than it is worth. If a batch of folks based
in,
say, England or Australia or Canada or Germany or wherever got together and
sent
in one large bank check payable in US Dollars, that would be different!
If you've recently contributed, or don't feel like you are getting anything
out of these lists[2], or are just plain old broke, don't worry about it.
I'll
continue to provide what I can; payment for services rendered is on a
strictly
voluntary basis. Which in some cases is likely a shame, as I bet there are
many on these lists who make use of them for personal financial gain in one
form or another, and are quite willing to continue doing so with no regard
for
the efforts I provide enabling them to do so. The flip side of that,
though,
is that there are folks with commercial interests directly related to the
areas of list interests who always come through with contributions when I
ask.
Cool.
So, let's see what we can do to improve the services I provide. If I gather
in a few hundred dollars, you probably won't notice anything different. A
few
thousand, and there could be some screamin' new hardware behind it all. And
if a hundred thousand or so (Less than $8 per subscription!) I'd quit my day
job and actually be able to work full time as the Team.Net guy, and you
might
get a decent level of customer service out of me, instead of the current
situation of more than likely no reply at all. Hmmm, would that be my
dream,
or an insufferable nightmare?
So, if you can assist, great, there's a few thousand others around the world
besides me who would appreciate it. If not, I hope that I can still provide
you with something useful in your life through the Team.Net services.
Thanks,
mjb.
1: To see what the lists are, send a plain text message to:
majordomo@autox.team.net
Put nothing in the body of the message but the command
lists
2: To unsubscribe from a list, first make sure you know the name of the
list.
See 1 above. Then, send a plain text email to
majordomo@autox.team.net
Put nothing in the body of the message but the command
unsubscribe <name_of_the_list_as_majordomo_knows_it>
If the program can figure out who you are, you will be unsubscribed. If
not, the request will be forwarded to me, so that I can handle it,
hopefully
in a less than infinite amount of time.
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