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Re: Fwd: Spitfire clutch - possible problem

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Subject: Re: Fwd: Spitfire clutch - possible problem
From: "Jim Muller" <jimmuller@pop.mail.rcn.net>
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 13:56:51 -0500
Organization: Southern Rail
Bill Kelly wrote (and Randall Young agreed) that:
> >Actually, experience and theory both indicate that a worn clutch will 
> >begin slipping in top gear, working its way down to lower gears

Then Dave Massey replied:
> I think your both goofy!

Sorry Dave, but they aren't goofy!  A decade ago when I went through my 
slipping clutch woes, I did the analysis that BK and RY did and I came to 
the same conclusions.  My experience was exactly as they described, slipping 
in higher gears, especially 4th with OD engaged or going up hills.  In fact, 
I was trying to find a reason why that would happen, rather than starting 
with the analysis and looking for the behavior it predicted.  Had I done it 
the other way around I might have "found what I was looking for" instead of 
what was actually happening.  (Of course, one can argue that my analysis was 
skewed by my trying to explain what I had found.  Yes, I did conclude that I 
was *not* observing the OD slip.)

One possibility is that one notices clutch slippage more readily in a higher 
gear.  The reasoning is this:  If you depress the accelerator more than a 
steady-speed throttle position, a low gear will let the car accelerate 
easily.  Even if slippage happens, you can't see it because both the tach 
and speedo are moving upward together.  Perhaps they aren't moving quite in 
accord with each other, but the difference in their rates can't be judged 
easily without a precise numeric comparison.  In conrast, depressing the 
accelerator while in a higher gear, especially on a hill, may result in 
little or no acceleration at all.  Tach movement accompanied by no 
corresponding speedo movement is all too obvious!

Thus both dynamics analysis as per BK and observational precision suggest 
that slippage is indeed observed first in higher gears.  But I still 
wondered which was the real explanation, observational error or dynamics.  
So I endeavored mightily to observe slippage in the lower gears.  After much 
watching and accelerating and the going up of hills in lower gears for that 
purpose, admittedly all without the aid of speed-recording devices, I was 
never able to satisfy myself that had actually seen it.  Since I also trust 
the physics, I'll put money on the dynamics explanation.  Not only will you 
observe it first in higher gears, but it is also likely to happen there 
first!

Jes' my two pence.
-- 
Jim Muller
jimmuller@pop.rcn.com
'80 Spitfire, '70 GT6+

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