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True, but I always wondered what kind of gas mileage you'd get if you went b=
ate bones!
Joe B
72 TR6
> On Dec 15, 2015, at 14:49, John Innis <jdinnis@gmail.com> wrote:
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> It's not just the increased weight, but in some case, not EVEN increased w=
eight. =20
> First, compare a Camry to something comparable for it's day (say a '50s Fo=
rd Fairlane) and you will see the Camry comes in a few hundred pounds lighte=
r. Not really fair to compare a modern family sedan (even a compact) to a s=
ports car of any vintage. =20
> The other big difference is the performance of the motor for the given mil=
eage. The Camry I-4 (circa 2012) will do 0-60 in 8.4 secs making about 178h=
p from 2.5l. The TR3 made a (reported) 10 second 0-60 on 100hp from the 2.2=
motor in a package weighing 1000lbs less. So you do get something for all t=
hat fancy new fangled tech.
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>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Joe Burlein <floridatr6@cfl.rr.com> wrot=
e:
>> I think you hit it on the head with weight. Air con, door braces, heated=
seats, stereo systems, stability control, infotainment, sound deadening, et=
c. PLUS the literal hundreds of pounds of wiring to support all that stuff k=
ills economy. And stupid ethanol in the US doesn't help a bit either!
>>=20
>> Joe B
>> 72 TR6
>>=20
>> > On Dec 15, 2015, at 13:58, Bob Labuz <yellowtr@adelphia.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Jeff,
>> >
>> > Not so sure I agree.
>> >
>> > I have made over 30MPG on my 2.2 liter TR3 in the past. 87MM upgrade b=
ut with the stock 4sp transmission.
>> > WIth OD, I am sure many have done better.
>> >
>> > I average about 25MPG on all my Triumphs, a 3, 4 and 6 just driving to c=
ar hops etc. No real long range highway mileage. My wife's 4cyl Camry just a=
veraged about 35MPG on our trip out West. That is real good, but hardly twic=
e my 4CYLs Triumphs. And it is fuel infected etc with many computers running=
the show and a 6 speed transmission. The only computer available when I dri=
ve a Triumph is in my pocket!
>> >
>> > The Camry is heavier I am sure and that engine will last for many more m=
iles but mileage has not improved as much as one would expect. I suspect som=
e of the problem is alcohol and less bang for the buck in the power in today=
s fuels.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >> On 12/15/2015 01:44 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote=
:
>> >>> The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is that the oi=
l companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to
>> >>> squeeze more oil out of the ground (steam injection, oil shale, frack=
ing, etc) plus how to squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of
>> >>> crude.
>> >> Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per mile. I'm not=
>> >> sure how that number has changed over the years...doubled? tripled?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Jeff Scarbrough
>> >> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>> >>
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>True, but I always wondered what kind o=
f gas mileage you'd get if you went bate bones!<br><br>Joe B<div>72 TR6</div=
></div><div><br>On Dec 15, 2015, at 14:49, John Innis <<a href=3D"mailto:=
jdinnis@gmail.com">jdinnis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote=
type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">It's not just the increased weight, but=
in some case, not EVEN increased weight. <br>First, compare a Camry t=
o something comparable for it's day (say a '50s Ford Fairlane) and you will s=
ee the Camry comes in a few hundred pounds lighter. Not really fair to=
compare a modern family sedan (even a compact) to a sports car of any vinta=
ge. <br>The other big difference is the performance of the motor for t=
he given mileage. The Camry I-4 (circa 2012) will do 0-60 in 8.4 secs m=
aking about 178hp from 2.5l. The TR3 made a (reported) 10 second 0-60 o=
n 100hp from the 2.2 motor in a package weighing 1000lbs less. So you d=
o get something for all that fancy new fangled tech.<br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 1:28 PM,=
Joe Burlein <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:floridatr6@cfl.rr.com"; t=
arget=3D"_blank">floridatr6@cfl.rr.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;p=
adding-left:1ex">I think you hit it on the head with weight. Air con, d=
oor braces, heated seats, stereo systems, stability control, infotainment, s=
ound deadening, etc. PLUS the literal hundreds of pounds of wiring to suppor=
t all that stuff kills economy. And stupid ethanol in the US doesn't h=
elp a bit either!<br>
<br>
Joe B<br>
72 TR6<br>
<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
> On Dec 15, 2015, at 13:58, Bob Labuz <<a href=3D"mailto:yellowtr@ade=
lphia.net">yellowtr@adelphia.net</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Jeff,<br>
><br>
> Not so sure I agree.<br>
><br>
> I have made over 30MPG on my 2.2 liter TR3 in the past. 87MM upgr=
ade but with the stock 4sp transmission.<br>
> WIth OD, I am sure many have done better.<br>
><br>
> I average about 25MPG on all my Triumphs, a 3, 4 and 6 just driving to c=
ar hops etc. No real long range highway mileage. My wife's 4cyl Camry just a=
veraged about 35MPG on our trip out West. That is real good, but hardly twic=
e my 4CYLs Triumphs. And it is fuel infected etc with many computers running=
the show and a 6 speed transmission. The only computer available when I dri=
ve a Triumph is in my pocket!<br>
><br>
> The Camry is heavier I am sure and that engine will last for many more m=
iles but mileage has not improved as much as one would expect. I suspect som=
e of the problem is alcohol and less bang for the buck in the power in today=
s fuels.<br>
><br>
> Bob<br>
><br>
>> On 12/15/2015 01:44 PM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:<br>
>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Randall <<a href=3D"mailto=
:TR3driver@ca.rr.com">TR3driver@ca.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> The glut has many causes, but I'd say chief among them is that t=
he oil companies have learned a LOT more since then on how to<br>
>>> squeeze more oil out of the ground (steam injection, oil shale,=
fracking, etc) plus how to squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of<br>
>>> crude.<br>
>> Not to mention overall average gasoline consumption per mile. =
I'm not<br>
>> sure how that number has changed over the years...doubled? tripled?=
<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Jeff Scarbrough<br>
>> Corrosion Acres, Ga.<br>
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