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Re: [TR] Starting a dry engine advice sought

To: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Starting a dry engine advice sought
From: Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com>
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 13:25:47 -0700
Cc: "Triumph list Team.net" <triumphs@autox.team.net>, Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com>, TERRY SMITH <terryrs@comcast.net>
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I=E2=80=99m not 100% on this so others can chime in and correct me.=20

My understanding is when the cam rolls by and lifts the tappet it will also r=
otate it a little bit so it doesn=E2=80=99t continue to strike the same spot=
 over and over and over. Too much zinc, too slippery, doesn=E2=80=99t rotate=
 the tappet, wears the cam lobe prematurely.

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> On Sep 9, 2018, at 1:17 PM, Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
> Don=E2=80=99t we have flat tappet engines? Why do they need to rotate?
>=20
>> On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 2:58 PM Rye Livingston <ryel@mac.com> wrote:
>> FYI - if a little zinc is good, a lot is NOT better. Things get too slipp=
ery and the tappets don=E2=80=99t rotate on the cam lobes. I learned this th=
e hard way and the machine shop informed me of the error of too much zinc.
>>=20
>> So either Valvoline, Brad Penn or Kendall that have ZDDP, or half a bottl=
e of Red Line break-in oil per instructions, is the way to go.
>>=20
>> Rye
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Randall <tr3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> >> Five or 10 years ago I didn't think there was much of an =20
>> >> zinc ingredient in  Valvoline racing oil. Have things Change D?
>> >=20
>> > There was a brief period where they reduced it slightly; but Valvoline
>> > Racing has always had ZDDP in it.  It's not entirely clear to me that 9=
00
>> > PPM is worse than 1100 PPM as long as you change oil frequently; more j=
ust
>> > lets you run the oil longer before it is depleted.  But the consumer
>> > reaction was apparently enough to convince them to put it back up.
>> >=20
>> > -- Randall
>> >=20
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>> >=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">I=E2=80=99m not 100% on this so others can c=
hime in and correct me.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>My understanding is when th=
e cam rolls by and lifts the tappet it will also rotate it a little bit so i=
t doesn=E2=80=99t continue to strike the same spot over and over and over. T=
oo much zinc, too slippery, doesn=E2=80=99t rotate the tappet, wears the cam=
 lobe prematurely.<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone=
</div><div><br>On Sep 9, 2018, at 1:17 PM, Paul Dorsey &lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:dorpaul1@gmail.com">dorpaul1@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div><div>Don=E2=80=99t we have flat tappet engines? Why d=
o they need to rotate?</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr">On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 2:58 PM Rye Livingston &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rye=
l@mac.com">ryel@mac.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">FYI - if a little zinc is good, a lot is NOT better. Things get too slippe=
ry and the tappets don=E2=80=99t rotate on the cam lobes. I learned this the=
 hard way and the machine shop informed me of the error of too much zinc.<br=
>
<br>
So either Valvoline, Brad Penn or Kendall that have ZDDP, or half a bottle o=
f Red Line break-in oil per instructions, is the way to go.<br>
<br>
Rye<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone<br>
<br>
On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Randall &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tr3driver@ca.rr.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">tr3driver@ca.rr.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt;&gt; Five or 10 years ago I didn't think there was much of an&nbsp; <br>=

&gt;&gt; zinc ingredient in&nbsp; Valvoline racing oil. Have things Change D=
?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; There was a brief period where they reduced it slightly; but Valvoline<=
br>
&gt; Racing has always had ZDDP in it.&nbsp; It's not entirely clear to me t=
hat 900<br>
&gt; PPM is worse than 1100 PPM as long as you change oil frequently; more j=
ust<br>
&gt; lets you run the oil longer before it is depleted.&nbsp; But the consum=
er<br>
&gt; reaction was apparently enough to convince them to put it back up.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -- Randall<br>
&gt; <br>
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