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You're doing the right thing, Andrew. Except publicize his name and where =
he is. E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever bee=
n a civilian's defensive tool.
Terry
> On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net=
> wrote:
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> Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own =
stupidity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others need t=
o be careful.
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> Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been=
looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I rece=
ntly saw one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good conditi=
on=E2=80=9D. It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and as=
ked specifically about the extent of the rust: he replied by assuring me t=
he car was =E2=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal rust=
=E2=80=9D. I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as th=
e car was at a different location.
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> After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the c=
ar up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a=
week. The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t m=
ake it. He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal =
and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. =
So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehi=
cle protection plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake.
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> A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough t=
o put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I =
doubt it could ever be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him =
I wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wan=
ted my money back. He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99s yours.
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> I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to c=
ars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the=
seller. After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the s=
tress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got=
there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said, g=
ive me my money. Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal with the =
other guy. The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply load=
ed the car up and drove home.
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> Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders,=
one of which is fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a tr=
ip to the scrapyard.
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> It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my l=
ovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. Bu=
t I did leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTot=
al misrepresentation of the car. Buyers beware=E2=80=9D. It never posted.=
I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as i=
t was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the future success of his business=
=E2=80=9D. As a result eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they =
did. And they will not let me leave any negative feedback.
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> I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical ab=
out mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am =
venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
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> Andrew Uprichard
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</head><body><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial, sa=
ns-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">You're doing the right thing, Andrew=
.  Except publicize his name and where he is.  E-Bay may control =
official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever been a civilian's defensi=
ve tool.<br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,=
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br></p><p style=3D"font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: helvetica, arial, sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Terry<b=
r></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Upric=
hard <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote: <br> <br><div class=3D"ox-12=
25cbecef-WordSection1"><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Before I start the story, let me t=
ake full responsibility for my own stupidity.  I screwed up.  But=
the follow-up is where I think others need to be careful. </span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roma=
n','serif';">   </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span =
style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Having bought a TR3 with =
a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was prepared =
to pay good money for, a decent tub.  I recently saw one on eBay which=
was advertised as being “in good condition”.  It was fair=
ly expensive, so I emailed the seller <u>twice</u> and asked specifically a=
bout the extent of the rust:  he replied by assuring me the car was &#=
8220;in great condition” with “minimal rust”.  I ask=
ed for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a di=
fferent location. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">   </span></p><p class=
=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman',=
'serif';">After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick t=
he car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone f=
or a week.  The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=
217;t make it.  He said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. =
I called PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid before=
seeing the car.  So I called eBay and they reassured me I was covered=
100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP).  So I paid.  My =
mistake. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">   </span></p><p class=3D"ox-122=
5cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">=
A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put =
my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt&=
#160; it could ever be restored.  Oh, and the frame was bent.  I =
told him I wasn’t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, an=
d I wanted my money back.  He told me tough, you paid already, it̵=
7;s yours. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">   </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1=
225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';=
">I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars =
less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the sel=
ler.  After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the =
stress of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car.  When=
I got there the seller told me he had sold it to someone else.  Great=
, I said, give me my money.  Nah, he said, you take it and I’ll =
deal with the other guy.  The seller had brought a few buddies over, a=
nd so I simply loaded the car up and drove home. </span></p><p class=3D"ox-=
1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif'=
;">   </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Bottom line – I salvaged one =
replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is fiberglass.  The car =
is being collected this week for a trip to the scrapyard. </span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman=
','serif';">   </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">It was my fault and I acce=
pt responsibility for it.  Thankfully, my lovely wife has not given me=
grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy.  But I did leave negative=
feedback on eBay.  The EXACT words were “Total misrepresentatio=
n of the car.  Buyers beware”.  It never posted.  I ca=
lled eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =
“pejorative and threatened the future success of his business”.=
  As a result eBay had the right to remove it – and they did.=
60; And they will not let me leave any negative feedback. </span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman=
','serif';">   </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">I still love the Triumph c=
ommunity, but I am a little more cynical about mankind (which is a shame) a=
nd I am disgusted with eBay.  I guess I am venting, but if anyone has =
a good TR3 tub……… </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-Ms=
oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">   </=
span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: '=
Times New Roman','serif';">Andrew Uprichard </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225c=
becef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Ja=
ckson, Michigan </span></p><p class=3D"ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=
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