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Yes, and it could save one of us from the same experience.
Marty
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> on behalf of TERRY SMITH <=
terryrs@comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay - a sobering story
You're doing the right thing, Andrew. Except publicize his name and where =
he is. E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth has ever bee=
n a civilian's defensive tool.
Terry
On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> =
wrote:
Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupid=
ity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others need to be c=
areful.
Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been looki=
ng for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I recently s=
aw one on eBay which was advertised as being =93in good condition=94. It w=
as fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specifically a=
bout the extent of the rust: he replied by assuring me the car was =93in g=
reat condition=94 with =93minimal rust=94. I asked for additional pics, bu=
t he said it was difficult as the car was at a different location.
After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up =
within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week.=
The car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it. He =
said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and they sai=
d I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. So I called=
eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protecti=
on plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake.
A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put =
my hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt =
it could ever be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I wasn=
=92t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money=
back. He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours.
I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars le=
ss than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the selle=
r. After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress =
of litigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got there=
the seller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said, give me=
my money. Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal with the other guy. =
The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car u=
p and drove home.
Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of whic=
h is fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a trip to the sc=
rapyard.
It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovely =
wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I di=
d leave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were =93Total misrepres=
entation of the car. Buyers beware=94. It never posted. I called eBay to=
day and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorativ=
e and threatened the future success of his business=94. As a result eBay h=
ad the right to remove it =96 and they did. And they will not let me leave=
any negative feedback.
I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about ma=
nkind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am ventin=
g, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=85=85=85
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 20, 2018 9:12 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Uprichard; triumphs@autox.team.net; 6pack@autox.team.net<=
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You're doing the right thing, Andrew. Except publicize his name and w=
here he is. E-Bay may control official feedback, but word-of-mouth ha=
s ever been a civilian's defensive tool.<br>
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Terry<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">On October 19, 2018 at 6:03 PM Andrew Uprichard &=
lt;auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
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<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility=
for my own stupidity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where=
I think others need to be careful.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage,=
I have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent =
tub. I recently saw one on eBay which
was advertised as being =93in good condition=94. It was fairly expen=
sive, so I emailed the seller
<u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent of the rust: he =
replied by assuring me the car was =93in great condition=94 with =93minimal=
rust=94. I asked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult a=
s the car was at a different location.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had t=
o pick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would b=
e gone for a week. The car was several
hours away and I explained I couldn=92t make it. He said OK, but he =
wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and they said I would l=
ose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. So I called eBay =
and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay
vehicle protection plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake. </span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes =
big enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so much collisi=
on damage I doubt it could ever be
restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I wasn=92t go=
ing to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back.&=
nbsp; He told me tough, you paid already, it=92s yours.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only =
applies to cars less than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other tha=
n to sue the seller. After several
sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and=
so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got there the seller =
told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said, give me my mon=
ey. Nah, he said, you take it and I=92ll deal
with the other guy. The seller had brought a few buddies over, and s=
o I simply loaded the car up and drove home.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">Bottom line =96 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fe=
nders, one of which is fiberglass. The car is being collected this we=
ek for a trip to the scrapyard.
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. =
Thankfully, my lovely wife has not given me grief and as a Christian I for=
give the guy. But I did leave negative feedback
on eBay. The EXACT words were =93Total misrepresentation of the car.=
Buyers beware=94. It never posted. I called eBay today a=
nd was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =93pejorative and=
threatened the future success of his business=94. As a result
eBay had the right to remove it =96 and they did. And they will not =
let me leave any negative feedback.
</span></p>
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w Roman','serif'">
</span></p>
<p class=3D"x_ox-1225cbecef-MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:'Times Ne=
w Roman','serif'">I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little mor=
e cynical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay.&nb=
sp; I guess I am venting, but if anyone has
a good TR3 tub=85=85=85 </span></p>
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