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Sad story indeed, I have alway found people on eBay to be honest dealers. T=
he two vehicles I have purchased on eBay were slightly over embellished, not=
lies but more things not said. =20
Can you share this guy=E2=80=99s name and eBay handle?
Bill
Sent from my Handspring Treo
On Oct 19, 2018, at 5:03 PM, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> wro=
te:
Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own stupidi=
ty. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think others need to be car=
eful.
=20
Having bought a TR3 with a body which was beyond salvage, I have been lookin=
g for, and was prepared to pay good money for, a decent tub. I recently saw=
one on eBay which was advertised as being =E2=80=9Cin good condition=E2=80=9D=
. It was fairly expensive, so I emailed the seller twice and asked specific=
ally about the extent of the rust: he replied by assuring me the car was =E2=
=80=9Cin great condition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D. I as=
ked for additional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a di=
fferent location.
=20
After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had to pick the car up w=
ithin 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would be gone for a week. T=
he car was several hours away and I explained I couldn=E2=80=99t make it. H=
e said OK, but he wanted the money immediately. I called PayPal and they sa=
id I would lose any protection if I paid before seeing the car. So I called=
eBay and they reassured me I was covered 100% by the eBay vehicle protectio=
n plan (VPP). So I paid. My mistake.
=20
A week later I drove out and found a car with rust holes big enough to put m=
y hand through and a passenger side with so much collision damage I doubt i=
t could ever be restored. Oh, and the frame was bent. I told him I wasn=E2=
=80=99t going to take the car, he had misrepresented it, and I wanted my mon=
ey back. He told me tough, you paid already, it=E2=80=99s yours.
=20
I came home and called eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars les=
s than 10 years old and that I had no recourse other than to sue the seller.=
After several sleepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of l=
itigation and so I drove back out to collect the car. When I got there the s=
eller told me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said, give me my mon=
ey. Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal with the other guy. Th=
e seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car up a=
nd drove home.
=20
Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replacement panel and 2 fenders, one of=
which is fiberglass. The car is being collected this week for a trip to th=
e scrapyard.
=20
It was my fault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovely w=
ife has not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I did l=
eave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal misrepr=
esentation of the car. Buyers beware=E2=80=9D. It never posted. I called e=
Bay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedback as it was =E2=80=9C=
pejorative and threatened the future success of his business=E2=80=9D. As a=
result eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93 and they did. And they wi=
ll not let me leave any negative feedback.
=20
I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cynical about man=
kind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I guess I am venting,=
but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6
=20
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
=20
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=20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto">Sad story indeed, I have alway found people=
on eBay to be honest dealers. The two vehicles I have purchased on eB=
ay were slightly over embellished, not lies but more things not said. =
<div><br></div><div>Can you share this guy=E2=80=99s name and eBay handle?</=
div><div><br></div><div>Bill<br><br><div id=3D"AppleMailSignature" dir=3D"lt=
r"><span style=3D"background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Sent from my Ha=
ndspring Treo</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>On Oct 19, 2018, at 5:03 PM, A=
ndrew Uprichard <<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>auprichard@u=
prichard.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><meta http-equiv=3D=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman","serif&=
quot;">Before I start the story, let me take full responsibility for my own s=
tupidity. I screwed up. But the follow-up is where I think other=
s need to be careful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Time=
s New Roman","serif"">Having bought a TR3 with a body which w=
as beyond salvage, I have been looking for, and was prepared to pay good mon=
ey for, a decent tub. I recently saw one on eBay which was advertised a=
s being =E2=80=9Cin good condition=E2=80=9D. It was fairly expensive, s=
o I emailed the seller <u>twice</u> and asked specifically about the extent o=
f the rust: he replied by assuring me the car was =E2=80=9Cin great co=
ndition=E2=80=9D with =E2=80=9Cminimal rust=E2=80=9D. I asked for addi=
tional pics, but he said it was difficult as the car was at a different loca=
tion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman"=
;,"serif"">After I bid and won, the seller emailed me to say I had=
to pick the car up within 24 hours as he had a family commitment and would b=
e gone for a week. The car was several hours away and I explained I co=
uldn=E2=80=99t make it. He said OK, but he wanted the money immediatel=
y. I called PayPal and they said I would lose any protection if I paid=
before seeing the car. So I called eBay and they reassured me I was c=
overed 100% by the eBay vehicle protection plan (VPP). So I paid. =
; My mistake.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fon=
t-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Ro=
man","serif"">A week later I drove out and found a car with r=
ust holes big enough to put my hand through and a passenger side with so muc=
h collision damage I doubt it could ever be restored. Oh, and th=
e frame was bent. I told him I wasn=E2=80=99t going to take the car, h=
e had misrepresented it, and I wanted my money back. He told me tough,=
you paid already, it=E2=80=99s yours.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman","serif&qu=
ot;"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-=
family:"Times New Roman","serif"">I came home and called=
eBay only to be told the VPP only applies to cars less than 10 years old an=
d that I had no recourse other than to sue the seller. After several s=
leepless nights I decided I could do without the stress of litigation and so=
I drove back out to collect the car. When I got there the seller told=
me he had sold it to someone else. Great, I said, give me my money.&n=
bsp; Nah, he said, you take it and I=E2=80=99ll deal with the other guy.&nbs=
p; The seller had brought a few buddies over, and so I simply loaded the car=
up and drove home.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times Ne=
w Roman","serif"">Bottom line =E2=80=93 I salvaged one replac=
ement panel and 2 fenders, one of which is fiberglass. The car is bein=
g collected this week for a trip to the scrapyard.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",&q=
uot;serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">It was my f=
ault and I accept responsibility for it. Thankfully, my lovely wife ha=
s not given me grief and as a Christian I forgive the guy. But I did l=
eave negative feedback on eBay. The EXACT words were =E2=80=9CTotal mi=
srepresentation of the car. Buyers beware=E2=80=9D. It never pos=
ted. I called eBay today and was told the seller had appealed my feedb=
ack as it was =E2=80=9Cpejorative and threatened the future success of his b=
usiness=E2=80=9D. As a result eBay had the right to remove it =E2=80=93=
and they did. And they will not let me leave any negative feedback.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"=
Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman","=
;serif"">I still love the Triumph community, but I am a little more cyn=
ical about mankind (which is a shame) and I am disgusted with eBay. I g=
uess I am venting, but if anyone has a good TR3 tub=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",&qu=
ot;serif"">Andrew Uprichard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">J=
ackson, Michigan<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"=
font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p> </o:p>=
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