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Geez yes! You do NOT want a valve open when you use the rope to push
the head up. I'm not sure how you'd get the head nuts off without
removing the rocker shaft, but you certainly want the valves closed or
you have a very good chance of damaging an open valve.
- Tony Drews
On 9/8/2019 5:03 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:
>
> Haven't heard it mentioned, so question. When using the "rope trick,"
> would it be wise to remove the pedestal for the rocker arms first so's
> to avoid damaging valves?
>
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
> On September 3, 2019 at 6:26 PM "Glenn A. Merrell"
> <controls@freelanceconsulting.net> wrote:
>
>> Stag and TR7 heads are no longer an issue.
>>
>> There are cylinder head tools available that lift off even the most
>> corroded heads off a Stag or TR7 engine in 30 minutes or less with no
>> damage, actually taking more time to install and remove the tool than
>> it takes to  lifting the head. That is the first and last tool to
>> use, all other methods are rendered obsolete and typically damage
>> something else in the process.
>>
>> Use of the tool is free excepting you pay round trip shipping of the
>> tool and replace anything you lose or break on the tool.
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>> Glenn Merrell
>>
>> aka StagByTriumph Garage (/now on FaceBook/)
>>
>> Remember, â??the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips
>> in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen â?¦ with the occasional
>> smell of manure!â??
>>
>> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf
>> Of *Randall
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 3, 2019 12:10 PM
>> *To:* Paul Dorsey; Triumph list Team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] rope trick thingy
>>
>> The â??rope trickâ?? is for emergencies, when you just canâ??t get the head
>> off any other way. In that case, chances are good that the liners
>> are so stuck they donâ??t need to be retained. But also, IMO, if itâ??s
>> that bad, itâ??s time to pull the liners anyway (in which case they
>> donâ??t need to be retained either).
>>
>> Iâ??ve taken apart some pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to resort
>> to the â??rope trickâ??. Â Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a
>> real challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.
>>
>> - Randall
>>
>> *Sent: *Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM
>> *Subject: *[TR] rope trick thingy
>>
>> Is the rope trick the thing where you put the rope in the cylinder
>> down the spark plug hole and then turn the engine so that the piston
>> breaks the head gasket seal? I thought someone said not to turn over
>> the engine?
>>
>
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<p>Geez yes! You do NOT want a valve open when you use the rope to
push the head up. I'm not sure how you'd get the head nuts off
without removing the rocker shaft, but you certainly want the
valves closed or you have a very good chance of damaging an open
valve.</p>
<p>- Tony Drews<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/8/2019 5:03 PM, TERRY SMITH wrote:<br>
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<p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Haven't heard it mentioned,
so question. When using the "rope trick," would it be wise to
remove the pedestal for the rocker arms first so's to avoid
damaging valves?</p>
<p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br>
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<p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">Terry</p>
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sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br>
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<p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br>
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<p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);"><br>
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<p style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: helvetica, arial,
sans-serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51);">On September 3, 2019 at
6:26 PM "Glenn A. Merrell"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:controls@freelanceconsulting.net";><controls@freelanceconsulting.net></a>
wrote: <br>
<br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div class="ox-389afdd6e2-WordSection1">
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;">Stag and TR7 heads are no longer an issue. </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;"> Â </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;">There are cylinder head tools available that
lift off even the most corroded heads off a Stag or TR7
engine in 30 minutes or less with no damage, actually
taking more time to install and remove the tool than it
takes to  lifting the head. That is the first and last
tool to use, all other methods are rendered obsolete and
typically damage something else in the process. </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;">Use of the tool is free excepting you pay round
trip shipping of the tool and replace anything you lose or
break on the tool. </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;">Cheers! </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;"> Â </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;">Glenn Merrell </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;">aka StagByTriumph Garage (<em>now on FaceBook</em>)
</span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;">Remember, â??the BEST trophies are: Miles on the
Odometer; Stone chips in the paint; and DEAD BUGS on the
windscreen â?¦ with the occasional smell of manure!â?? </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;"> Â </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><span style="color:
#1f497d;"> Â </span></p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"
class="mce-item-anchor" moz-do-not-send="true"></a><span
style="color: #1f497d;"> Â </span></p>
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padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><strong><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></strong><span
style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family:
'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Triumphs
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]
<strong>On
Behalf Of </strong>Randall<br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> Tuesday, September 3, 2019
12:10 PM<br>
<strong>To:</strong> Paul Dorsey; Triumph list
Team.net<br>
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] rope trick thingy
</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Â </p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">The â??rope trickâ?? is for
emergencies, when you just canâ??t get the head off any other
way. In that case, chances are good that the liners are so
stuck they donâ??t need to be retained. But also, IMO, if
itâ??s that bad, itâ??s time to pull the liners anyway (in which
case they donâ??t need to be retained either).</p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Â </p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Iâ??ve taken apart some
pretty sad TR3 motors, and never had to resort to the â??rope
trickâ??. Â Getting the head off a Stag or TR7 can be a real
challenge, but the TR3 has never been a problem for me.</p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Â </p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">- Randall</p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Â </p>
<div style="border: none; border-top: solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;
padding: 3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;">
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal"><strong>From: </strong><a
href="mailto:dorpaul1@gmail.com"; moz-do-not-send="true">Paul
Dorsey</a><br>
<strong>Sent: </strong>Monday, September 2, 2019 9:38 PM<br>
<strong>To: </strong><a href="mailto:dorpaul1@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send="true">Me</a>; <a
href="mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send="true">Triumph list Team.net</a><br>
<strong>Subject: </strong>[TR] rope trick thingy</p>
</div>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Â </p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Is the rope trick the thing
where you put the rope in the cylinder down the spark plug
hole and then turn the engine so that the piston breaks the
head gasket seal? I thought someone said not to turn over
the engine?</p>
<p class="ox-389afdd6e2-MsoNormal">Â </p>
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