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I had on of Justin=E2=80=99s sump gaskets. There were a couple of challenge=
s You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire=
that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out=20
The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right=20=
But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non f=
lat pan issues I had. =20
Tom
> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>=20
> =EF=BB=BFI know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and=
it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need fo=
r steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a th=
icker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (li=
ke the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the detai=
ls.
> -- Randall
>=20
>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher@flash.n=
et> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too. Joe, how about it?
>> Bill
>> =20
>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey@cs.com]=20
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>> To: aljlthomson@charter.net; bill_beecher@flash.net; triumphs@autox.team.=
net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>> =20
>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years.=
=20
>> =20
>> Not all RTV sealants are the same. Some are oil resistant and others are=
not. "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealin=
g windshields and such. Check the manufacturer's website. Ultra Black, I b=
elieve, is oil resistant. None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.
>> =20
>> When using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loose=
ly and let the sealant partially set before tightening. This will reduce th=
e tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can c=
log the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.=
>> =20
>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string=
along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a l=
ayer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>> =20
>> =20
>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket=
(more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow f=
or easy removal/resintallation. Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sum=
p gasket I will continue to do so. ;-)
>> =20
>> Dave
>>=20
>> =20
>> =20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter.net>
>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher@flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs@autox.t=
eam.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>=20
>> I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gaske=
t maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Per=
matex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it=
seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cy=
l. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 c=
yl. engines, etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can=
be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>> =20
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer avai=
lable from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Som=
etimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in t=
hose cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover=
being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a ch=
ance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But w=
e all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of e=
xcess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil gal=
leries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am rep=
airing somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV s=
ealer inside of a compartment. I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the resu=
lt of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous=
=E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. ar=
e good, then 40 must be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite o=
r cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is=
warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface o=
f our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checki=
ng small parts for flatness.
>> =20
>> Alex Thomson
>> =20
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill=
beecher
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>> To: 'Triumphs'
>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>> =20
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering abou=
t the best sealer. My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the ga=
sket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this? BTW, both surface=
s are in excellent condition.
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> TS30800L
>> =20
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s sump gaskets. There were a couple of challenges You could not over t=
ighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used t=
o keep the bolts from backing out </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div=
dir=3D"ltr">The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not q=
uite right </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">But, the k=
it came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan i=
ssues I had. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Tom</di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br=
><blockquote type=3D"cite">On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver=
@ca.rr.com> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><d=
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicon=
e TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He d=
id mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed,=
which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the=
bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I=
never heard the details.<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher@flash.net=
> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.=
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<div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks Dave=
, I was thinking about Joe too. Joe, how about it?<o:p></o:p></span></=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"C=
alibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",=
sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-ser=
if">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibr=
i",sans-serif"> DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey@cs.com] <br><b>Sent:</=
b> Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM<br><b>To:</b> aljlthomson@charter.net=
; bill_beecher@flash.net; triumphs@autox.team.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR=
] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o=
:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Ari=
al",sans-serif;color:black">A couple advisories about using RTV that I h=
ave picked up over the years. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;colo=
r:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Not all RTV s=
ealants are the same. Some are oil resistant and others are not. =
"Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing wind=
shields and such. Check the manufacturer's website. Ultra Black,=
I believe, is oil resistant. None, as far as I know, are gasoline res=
istant.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Ar=
ial",sans-serif;color:black">When using RTV sealants, apply an ev=
en bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set bef=
ore tightening. This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze o=
ut strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine c=
ausing all manner of expensive problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;c=
olor:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">When usin=
g RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the j=
oint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sea=
lant at all points along the joint.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color=
:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span s=
tyle=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o=
:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As for me, I prefer to use Formagas=
ket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one par=
t and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation. U=
ntil Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.=
;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p>=
</span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">=
<span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;col=
or:black">Dave </span><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
f;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family=
:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">-----O=
riginal Message-----<br>From: Alex & Janet Thomson <<a href=3D"mailto=
:aljlthomson@charter.net">aljlthomson@charter.net</a>><br>To: 'bill beech=
er' <<a href=3D"mailto:bill_beecher@flash.net";>bill_beecher@flash.net</a>=
>; 'Triumphs' <<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@aut=
ox.team.net</a>><br>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] O=
il Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3D"yiv5478696345"><div><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-se=
rif;color:#1F497D">I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Blac=
k=E2=80=9D gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, th=
ere was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly p=
liable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling n=
orth with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling=
east with 4 cyl. engines, etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the l=
ocal NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that=
you can buy.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial&=
quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F4=
97D"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497=
D">I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer avai=
lable from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Som=
etimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting =E2=80=93 in t=
hose cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover=
being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a ch=
ance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But w=
e all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of e=
xcess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil gal=
leries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am rep=
airing somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV s=
ealer inside of a compartment. I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the resu=
lt of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous=
=E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts. =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft.-lbs. ar=
e good, then 40 must be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite o=
r cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is=
warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface o=
f our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checki=
ng small parts for flatness.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-s=
erif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-ser=
if;color:#1F497D">Alex Thomson</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><=
div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans=
-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v id=3D"yiv5478696345yqt88667"><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:sol=
id #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;colo=
r:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"A=
rial",sans-serif;color:black"> Triumphs [<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bou=
nces@autox.team.net">mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>] <b>On Behal=
f Of </b>bill beecher<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM<br>=
<b>To:</b> 'Triumphs'<br><b>Subject:</b> [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Replacing the TR3=
oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.&n=
bsp; My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is t=
he collective wisdom of the List on this? BTW, both surfaces are=
in excellent condition.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif=
;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;col=
or:black">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><sp=
an style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:=
black">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"=
>TS30800L<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div id=3D"yqt7=
3689"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></d=
iv></div></div></blockquote></div><span>** triumphs@autox.team.net **</span>=
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