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I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't=
work out=2E Not sure what the issue was=2E He did mention the need for ste=
el inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicke=
r gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like =
the clutch slave brace)=2E But that's just a guess, I never heard the detai=
ls=2E
-- Randall
On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher@flash=2E=
net> wrote:
>Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too=2E Joe, how about it?
>
>Bill
>
>=20
>
>From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey@cs=2Ecom]=20
>Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>To: aljlthomson@charter=2Enet; bill_beecher@flash=2Enet;
>triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet
>Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>
>=20
>
>A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the
>years=2E =20
>
>=20
>
>Not all RTV sealants are the same=2E Some are oil resistant and others
>are not=2E "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended
>for sealing windshields and such=2E Check the manufacturer's website=2E=
=20
>Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant=2E None, as far as I know, are
>gasoline resistant=2E
>
>=20
>
>When using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts
>loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening=2E This will
>reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and
>dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all
>manner of expensive problems=2E
>
>=20
>
>When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or
>string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that
>there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint=2E
>
>=20
>
>=20
>
>As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the
>gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening
>to allow for easy removal/resintallation=2E Until Joe Alexander produces
>a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so=2E ;-)
>
>=20
>
>Dave=20
>
>=20
>
>=20
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson@charter=2Enet
>To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher@flash=2Enet
net
>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>
>I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=80=9D gaske=
t maker=2E Part
># 82180=2E I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1
>which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable=2E Now, it
>seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with
>6 cyl=2E engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east
>with 4 cyl=2E engines, etc=2E, etc=2E The choices on the rack at the loc=
al
>NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that
>you can buy=2E
>
>=20
>
>I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer
>available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only
>alternative=2E Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another
>casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead is needed=2E When the=
re is a
>pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there
>will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will
>require a thicker bead=2E But we all know that many engine and other
>drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming
>entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other
>places=2E Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing
>somebody=E2=80=99s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV seal=
er
>inside of a compartment=2E I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the resul=
t of
>deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc=2E due to a previous
>=E2=80=9Cmechanic=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts=2E =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft=2E-l=
bs=2E are good, then 40 must
>be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surfa=
ce
>plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped=2E Years
>ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big
>table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking
>small parts for flatness=2E
>
>=20
>
>Alex Thomson
>
>=20
>
>From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet] On Behalf Of
>bill beecher
>Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>To: 'Triumphs'
>Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>
>=20
>
>Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering
>about the best sealer=2E My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side
>of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this? =20
>BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition=2E
>
>=20
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill
>
>TS30800L
>
>=20
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" vlink=3D"purple">I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan ga=
sket, and it didn't work out=2E Not sure what the issue was=2E He did menti=
on the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which =
might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the botto=
m of the pan (like the clutch slave brace)=2E But that's just a guess, I ne=
ver heard the details=2E<br>-- Randall<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On=
5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher@flash=2E=
net> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0p=
t 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-siz=
e:11=2E0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks=
Dave, I was thinking about Joe too=2E Joe, how about it?<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11=2E0pt;font-fam=
ily:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p=
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;Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11=2E0pt;font-family:"Cal=
ibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11=2E0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey=
@cs=2Ecom] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM<br><b>To:</=
b> aljlthomson@charter=2Enet; bill_beecher@flash=2Enet; triumphs@autox=2Ete=
am=2Enet<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">A cou=
ple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years=2E =
; <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Ari=
al",sans-serif;color:black">Not all RTV sealants are the same=2E =
Some are oil resistant and others are not=2E "Automotive" RTV may no=
t be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such=2E&nbs=
p; Check the manufacturer's website=2E Ultra Black, I believe, is oil=
resistant=2E None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant=2E<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-famil=
y:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial"=
,sans-serif;color:black">When using RTV sealants, apply an even bead =
and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tig=
htening=2E This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out =
strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine cau=
sing all manner of expensive problems=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-seri=
f;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">When=
using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along=
the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer=
of sealant at all points along the joint=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">=
<o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">As for me, I pref=
er to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) per=
manently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/re=
sintallation=2E Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I=
will continue to do so=2E ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;co=
lor:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" st=
yle=3D"margin-bottom:12=2E0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:13=2E5pt;font-famil=
y:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Dave </span><span style=3D"font=
-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial"=
,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:b=
lack"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin-bottom:12=2E0pt"><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">-----Original Message-----<br>From=
: Alex & Janet Thomson <<a href=3D"mailto:aljlthomson@charter=2Enet"=
>aljlthomson@charter=2Enet</a>><br>To: 'bill beecher' <<a href=3D"mai=
lto:bill_beecher@flash=2Enet">bill_beecher@flash=2Enet</a>>; 'Triumphs' =
<<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2Enet";>triumphs@autox=2Eteam=2E=
net</a>><br>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm<br>Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan =
Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=3D"yiv5478696345"><div><div><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;c=
olor:#1F497D">I have had good results with Permatex =E2=80=9CUltra Black=E2=
=80=9D gasket maker=2E Part # 82180=2E I seem to remember that years ago, t=
here was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightl=
y pliable=2E Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars trave=
lling north with 6 cyl=2E engines, a different product for dark color cars =
travelling east with 4 cyl=2E engines, etc=2E, etc=2E The choices on =
the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieti=
es of Loctite that you can buy=2E</span><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;f=
ont-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>=
</div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial&qu=
ot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0p=
t;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial=
",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I have found that many gaskets for tractor=
restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-t=
ube is the only alternative=2E Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed ag=
ainst another casting =E2=80=93 in those cases, a very small bead is needed=
=2E When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you k=
now that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface=
which will require a thicker bead=2E But we all know that many engine and =
other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming ent=
angled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places=2E Tr=
uthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody=E2=80=99s =
tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compar=
tment=2E I=E2=80=99m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pa=
ns, valve covers, tappet covers, etc=2E due to a previous =E2=80=9Cmechanic=
=E2=80=9D overtightening bolts=2E =E2=80=9CIf 20 ft=2E-lbs=2E are good, the=
n 40 must be better=E2=80=9D Unless you have access to a granite or cast ir=
on surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped=
=2E Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of o=
ur big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking=
small parts for flatness=2E</span><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-f=
amily:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial",s=
ans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;fon=
t-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Arial"=
;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alex Thomson</span><span style=3D"font-size:10=
=2E0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"=
Arial",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=3D"font-size=
:10=2E0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p></div><div id=3D"yiv5478696345yqt88667"><div><div style=3D"borde=
r:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1=2E0pt;padding:3=2E0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Arial",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10=2E0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> Triumph=
s [<a href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet";>mailto:triumphs-b=
ounces@autox=2Eteam=2Enet</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>bill beecher<br><b>Sent:=
</b> Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Triumphs'<br><b>Subj=
ect:</b> [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:"A=
rial",sans-serif;color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:"A=
rial",sans-serif;color:black">Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh =
powder coating and wondering about the best sealer=2E My first though=
t is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdo=
m of the List on this? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent cond=
ition=2E<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black=
"> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black=
">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:blac=
k">Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:10=2E0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black=
">TS30800L<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div id=3D"yq=
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