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I've almost got him convinced to take it off :)
> On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> w=
rote:
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> Ask David Friedlander if it can be done without removing the front apron.=
I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3 trying to get h=
is steering right.
> =20
> Andrew Uprichard
> =20
> From: Art McEwen <amcewen2@cogeco.ca>=20
> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:35 AM
> To: andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>; triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: RE: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild
> =20
> Further update.=20
> =20
> So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the ste=
ering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled during t=
hat and caused binding. When I took it all off and reset everything with a=
McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed good on 2nd install. T=
he new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added some stiffness too.
> =20
> BTW some claim this can be done without removing the cowl (and therefore p=
resumably the rad), I'd pay good money to see that on youtube....
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> On 05/17/20, andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:
> (Where is Randall when you need him? =F0=9F=98=8A)
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> When you say "significantly tighter" is this turning the steering with the=
tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with a f=
inger tip if the car is in the air. You should also be able to grab a wheel=
and take it through its full range of motion (everything connected) fairly e=
asily.
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> The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything, s=
hould just be soaked in oil prior to installation. =20
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> If it is binding, and not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference, t=
he pressure on the peg) it is probably related more to the shims at the bott=
om of the box than the bearings themselves. Did you follow the method Randa=
ll suggests with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?
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> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Art McEwen
> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM
> To: triumphs@autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild
>=20
> Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on the b=
ench, back in the car the steering is significantly tighter. Not quite a pa=
rking lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger tip effort. A=
nd this is while still up on jacks with the set screw backed right off. I l=
oosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight but no difference.=
It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the travel, it's tight l=
ock to lock. I waited until the shaft was reassembled before tightening the=
box attachment bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice versa.
>=20
> Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in the=
split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steering wheel=
? =20
>=20
> Also should the upper felt be greased/oiled?
>=20
> Thanks,
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> Art. 60tr
> ** triumphs@autox.team.net **
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
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ed to take it off :)</div><div><br>On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew upric=
hard <<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>auprichard@uprichard.ne=
t</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><meta http-equi=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:=
#1F497D">Ask David Friedlander if it can be done without removing the f=
ront apron. I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3=
trying to get his steering right.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span style=3D"font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497=
D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D">Andrew Uprichard<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:"Time=
s New Roman",serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div styl=
e=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Art McEwen <<a href=3D"mailto:amcewen2=
@cogeco.ca">amcewen2@cogeco.ca</a>> <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 22, 2020=
9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> andrew uprichard <<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@upr=
ichard.net">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>>; <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@aut=
ox.team.net">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [TR] Tr3a st=
eering tight after rebuild<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal">Further update. <o:p></o:p></p><d=
iv><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal">So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the s=
teering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled during=
that and caused binding. When I took it all off and reset every=
thing with a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed good on 2nd i=
nstall. The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added some stif=
fness too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">BTW some claim this can be done withou=
t removing the cowl (and therefore presumably the rad), I'd pay good money t=
o see that on youtube....<br><br>On 05/17/20, <b>andrew uprichard </b><<a=
href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net";>auprichard@uprichard.net</a>> w=
rote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1=
.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 10.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bott=
om:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">(Where i=
s Randall when you need him? <span style=3D"font-family:"Segoe UI=
Emoji",sans-serif">=F0=9F=98=8A</span>)<br><br>When you say "significa=
ntly tighter" is this turning the steering with the tie rods connected ? You=
should be able to turn the steering wheel with a finger tip if the car is i=
n the air. You should also be able to grab a wheel and take it through=
its full range of motion (everything connected) fairly easily.<br><br>The f=
elt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if anything, should j=
ust be soaked in oil prior to installation. <br><br>If it is binding, a=
nd not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference, the pressure on the pe=
g) it is probably related more to the shims at the bottom of the box than th=
e bearings themselves. Did you follow the method Randall suggests with=
measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?<br><br>Andrew Uprichard<br>=
Jackson, Michigan<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Triumphs <<a=
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net";>triumphs-bounces@autox.team=
.net</a>> On Behalf Of Art McEwen<br>Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM<b=
r>To: <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>=
<br>Subject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild<br><br>Re-installed my r=
ebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on the bench, back in the c=
ar the steering is significantly tighter. Not quite a parking lot 3-po=
int turn level of effort but well beyond finger tip effort. And this i=
s while still up on jacks with the set screw backed right off. I loose=
ned off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight but no difference.&nbs=
p; It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the travel, it's tight l=
ock to lock. I waited until the shaft was reassembled before tightenin=
g the box attachment bolts so the box would align to the shaft, not vice ver=
sa.<br><br>Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearin=
gs in the split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the steer=
ing wheel? <br><br>Also should the upper felt be greased/oiled?<br><br=
>Thanks,<br><br>Art. 60tr<br>** <a href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>t=
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