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Re: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

To: "'Art McEwen'" <amcewen2@cogeco.ca>, "'David Friedlander'" <forzion7@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild
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Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 09:01:40 -0700
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I think I remember Randal=E2=80=99s post saying that you can remove the =
column without removing the cowl if it=E2=80=99s the split type (2 =
piece) but you have to loosen the motor mounts and jack the engine up a =
bit to do it. There may have been more to it, but that=E2=80=99s all I =
remember.

Bob

=20

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Art =
McEwen
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 7:50 PM
To: David Friedlander
Cc: TR3 Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

=20

Dave, I'll do your apron, you rewire my steering shaft :)


On May 22, 2020, at 9:50 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7@gmail.com> =
wrote:

Andrew ~ =20

=20

Art tells me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 minutes! That's =
some mighty fast wrenching!!

=20

Dave

=20

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 7:00 PM Art McEwen <amcewen2@cogeco.ca> wrote:

I've almost got him convinced to take it off :)


On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> =
wrote:

Ask David Friedlander if  it can be done without removing the front =
apron.  I think he has just spent several days lying under his TR3 =
trying to get his steering right.

=20

Andrew Uprichard

=20

From: Art McEwen <amcewen2@cogeco.ca>=20
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 9:35 AM
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>; triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

=20

Further update.=20

=20

So I think what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the =
steering box was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled =
during that and caused binding.   When I took it all off and reset =
everything with a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed =
good on 2nd install.   The new bushings/felt in the upper shaft added =
some stiffness too.

=20

BTW some claim this can be done without removing the cowl (and therefore =
presumably the rad), I'd pay good money to see that on youtube....

On 05/17/20, andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net> wrote:

(Where is Randall when you need him?  =F0=9F=98=8A)

When you say "significantly tighter" is this turning the steering with =
the tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel =
with a finger tip if the car is in the air.  You should also be able to =
grab a wheel and take it through its full range of motion (everything =
connected) fairly easily.

The felt at the steering wheel should not be an issue - and, if =
anything, should just be soaked in oil prior to installation. =20

If it is binding, and not eased by loosening the box (and, by inference, =
the pressure on the peg) it is probably related more to the shims at the =
bottom of the box than the bearings themselves.  Did you follow the =
method Randall suggests with measuring end-float and shimming =
appropriately?

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Art McEwen
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM
To: triumphs@autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild

Re-installed my rebuilt steering box and, even though it felt fine on =
the bench, back in the car the steering is significantly tighter.  Not =
quite a parking lot 3-point turn level of effort but well beyond finger =
tip effort.  And this is while still up on jacks with the set screw =
backed right off.  I loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was =
too tight but no difference.  It doesn't feel like it's binding at any =
point of the travel, it's tight lock to lock.  I waited until the shaft =
was reassembled before tightening the box attachment bolts so the box =
would align to the shaft, not vice versa.

Could this really all be down to resistance from the 2 new bearings in =
the split shaft (plenty of grease added) and the new felt at the =
steering wheel? =20

Also should the upper felt be greased/oiled?

Thanks,

Art. 60tr
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I think I remember Randal=E2=80=99s post saying that you can remove =
the column without removing the cowl if it=E2=80=99s the split type (2 =
piece) but you have to loosen the motor mounts and jack the engine up a =
bit to do it. There may have been more to it, but that=E2=80=99s all I =
remember.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Art McEwen<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 22, 2020 7:50 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> David Friedlander<br><b>Cc:</b> TR3 =
Triumphs<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] Tr3a steering tight after =
rebuild<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Dave, =
I'll do your apron, you rewire my steering shaft =
:)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 22, 2020, at 9:50 PM, David =
Friedlander &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:forzion7@gmail.com";>forzion7@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Andrew ~&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Art tells me he can remove the apron of his car in 30 =
minutes! That's some mighty fast wrenching!!<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Dave<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Fri, May 22, 2020, 7:00 PM Art McEwen &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:amcewen2@cogeco.ca";>amcewen2@cogeco.ca</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I've almost got him convinced to take it off =
:)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On May 22, 2020, at 6:32 PM, andrew =
uprichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Ask David Friedlander if&nbsp; it can be done =
without removing the front apron.&nbsp; I think he has just spent =
several days lying under his TR3 trying to get his steering =
right.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Andrew Uprichard</span><o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b>From:</b>=
 Art McEwen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:amcewen2@cogeco.ca"; =
target=3D"_blank">amcewen2@cogeco.ca</a>&gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, =
May 22, 2020 9:35 AM<br><b>To:</b> andrew uprichard &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>&gt;; <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[TR] Tr3a steering tight after rebuild<o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Further =
update.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>So I think =
what happened is my final torque down of the end cap on the steering box =
was tighter than my shim bench tests or something settled during that =
and caused binding.&nbsp; &nbsp;When I took it all off and reset =
everything with a McGiver'd way of measuring the float it all seemed =
good on 2nd install.&nbsp; &nbsp;The new bushings/felt in the upper =
shaft added some stiffness too.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>BTW some =
claim this can be done without removing the cowl (and therefore =
presumably the rad), I'd pay good money to see that on =
youtube....<br><br>On 05/17/20, <b>andrew uprichard </b>&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:auprichard@uprichard.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">auprichard@uprichard.net</a>&gt; =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid =
blue 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
10.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>(Where is Randall =
when you need him?&nbsp; <span style=3D'font-family:"Segoe UI =
Emoji","sans-serif"'>&#128522;</span>)<br><br>When you say =
&quot;significantly tighter&quot; is this turning the steering with the =
tie rods connected ? You should be able to turn the steering wheel with =
a finger tip if the car is in the air.&nbsp; You should also be able to =
grab a wheel and take it through its full range of motion (everything =
connected) fairly easily.<br><br>The felt at the steering wheel should =
not be an issue - and, if anything, should just be soaked in oil prior =
to installation.&nbsp; <br><br>If it is binding, and not eased by =
loosening the box (and, by inference, the pressure on the peg) it is =
probably related more to the shims at the bottom of the box than the =
bearings themselves.&nbsp; Did you follow the method Randall suggests =
with measuring end-float and shimming appropriately?<br><br>Andrew =
Uprichard<br>Jackson, Michigan<br><br>-----Original =
Message-----<br>From: Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>&gt; On Behalf Of =
Art McEwen<br>Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 2:11 PM<br>To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net"; =
target=3D"_blank">triumphs@autox.team.net</a><br>Subject: [TR] Tr3a =
steering tight after rebuild<br><br>Re-installed my rebuilt steering box =
and, even though it felt fine on the bench, back in the car the steering =
is significantly tighter.&nbsp; Not quite a parking lot 3-point turn =
level of effort but well beyond finger tip effort.&nbsp; And this is =
while still up on jacks with the set screw backed right off.&nbsp; I =
loosened off the shim cover bolts thinking I was too tight but no =
difference.&nbsp; It doesn't feel like it's binding at any point of the =
travel, it's tight lock to lock.&nbsp; I waited until the shaft was =
reassembled before tightening the box attachment bolts so the box would =
align to the shaft, not vice versa.<br><br>Could this really all be down =
to resistance from the 2 new bearings in the split shaft (plenty of =
grease added) and the new felt at the steering wheel?&nbsp; <br><br>Also =
should the upper felt be greased/oiled?<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Art. =
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