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Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

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Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
From: "dave" <dave@ranteer.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2020 11:42:18 -0500
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My electric pump is mounted to the body under the rear seat.  Early TR4.

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And =E2=80=93 there is a hidden switch under the dashboard that the =
wires go through.  Nice safety feature.

=20

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net> On Behalf Of staffel
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:30 AM
To: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1@comcast.net>; Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod

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Hello Greg: I put the electric pump right on the top of the frame below =
where the original pump was, for ease of access. On some Brit cars. The =
elec pumps are in the trunk (Jaguars), under the frame by the rear wheel =
(Jensen GTs). Ever have to replace an SU pump  along side the highway in =
a rainstorm. Those days are over for me.

=20

Hi Ed: GOOD COMMENT; In my case it was NOT the brass acorn.  And to =
replace that acorn, due to the curvature of the original steel pipe, =
meant a total fabrication of the pipe, as replacing the acorn was =
impossible as the brass Male nut could not be removed.

=20

Thanks Gents! A modern electric pump, located where easily checked, =
wired to the distributor + and ground makes checking or replacing the =
pump an easy job in the future. My TR4 was my daily driver from 1969 =
thru the mid 1980s, from Oklahoma to  upstate NY, in the Mid Atlantic & =
in New Mexico. Proper replacement parts, made in the UK or US were much =
more dependable then.

I am still running a Mallory dual point ignition distributor after =
poorly manufactured Lucas points frustrated me for months: cam too =
small, slot too small, hole in points where points 'sit on breaker =
plate's too small so points set wobbled - giving intermittent spark.=20

=20

Even the basic things one has to inspect for proper manufacturing these =
days.

=20

Looking forward  to having my TR fully roadworthy again!

Sherman=20

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Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone

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Date: 8/11/20 7:01 AM (GMT-05:00)=20




Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod=20

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And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump, =
not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the =
replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At =
one time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this =
problem. =20

=20

Ed Woods=20

On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon <grglmn@gmail.com =

=20

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Just a couple random thoughts here.  One, I could not figure out from =
your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric pump.  My =
understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than the like =
to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in =
back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump.  You seem =
somewhat concerned about originality.  =20

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Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and not too =
hard to fit.  There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding my TR =
ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have =
been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten =
years).=20

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Good Luck=20

=20

Greg Lemon=20

TR250=20

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On Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel < staffel@comcast.net =

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Several years ago on an evening  club drive in the Catoctin Mts of =
Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark & =
started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel =
flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg =
and a Motel.=20

=20

Next morning, still raining,  the issue was apparent: in the bottom of =
the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.  Cleaned the bowl & nursed =
the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club friend =
came by and got his trailer & towed me home.=20

=20

Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. =
So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.=20

=20

Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, =
so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF. =20

=20

A few months later got everything back together.  The engine started =
right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads on =
fuel feed of the original  curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new pump ( =
pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop. =20

=20

Magnifying glass exam of the original Triumph  Male pipe 'nut' and the =
female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread =
mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either. =20

=20

So after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and =
install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey / GTs (Lotus =
907).=20

=20

Well, I installed a couple of  different new electric  pumps  adjacent =
to the mechanical pump.=20

=20

They would never 'self prime'. =20

=20

Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, & DRAINED =
the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank =
is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the =
original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel. =20

=20

So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and securing the =
new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump  right on the frame. This =
allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool cutting) to =
match the new location of the electric pump.=20

=20

Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of =
originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the =
Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical =
pump , ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to =
the front of the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds.=20

=20

Finally hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.=20

=20

I  wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing =
glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to =
Roadworthy status.=20

=20

Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. =
At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have =
3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite =
side of the engine. =20

=20

Sherman D Taffel =20

Columbia MD and Goldvein VA =20

65 TR4 CT 50054L=20

( per VTR the last known TR4 produced & shipped to USA)=20

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>My =
electric pump is mounted to the body under the rear seat.=C2=A0 Early =
TR4.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>And =E2=80=93 there is a hidden switch under the =
dashboard that the wires go through.=C2=A0 Nice safety =
feature.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b>From:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;triumphs-bounces@autox.team.net&gt; <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>staffel<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 11, 2020 11:30 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> EDWARD WOODS &lt;fogbro1@comcast.net&gt;; Greg Lemon =
&lt;grglmn@gmail.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> Triumphs =
&lt;triumphs@autox.team.net&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel =
Delivery Issue &amp; Mod<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Hello =
Greg: I put the electric pump right on the top of the frame below where =
the original pump was, for ease of access. On some Brit cars. The elec =
pumps are in the trunk (Jaguars), under the frame by the rear wheel =
(Jensen GTs). Ever have to replace an SU pump&nbsp; along side the =
highway in a rainstorm. Those days are over for =
me.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Hi Ed: GOOD COMMENT; In my case it was NOT the brass =
acorn.&nbsp; And to replace that acorn, due to the curvature of the =
original steel pipe, meant a total fabrication of the pipe, as replacing =
the acorn was impossible as the brass Male nut could not be =
removed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks Gents! A modern electric pump, located where =
easily checked, wired to the distributor + and ground makes checking or =
replacing the pump an easy job in the future. My TR4 was my daily driver =
from 1969 thru the mid 1980s, from Oklahoma to&nbsp; upstate NY, in the =
Mid Atlantic &amp; in New Mexico. Proper replacement parts, made in the =
UK or US were much more dependable then.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>I am still running a Mallory dual point ignition =
distributor after poorly manufactured Lucas points frustrated me for =
months: cam too small, slot too small, hole in points where points 'sit =
on breaker plate's too small so points set wobbled - giving intermittent =
spark.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Even the basic things one has to inspect for proper =
manufacturing these days.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Looking forward&nbsp; to having my TR fully roadworthy =
again!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sherman&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div =
id=3D"composer_signature"><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757'>Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, =
an AT&amp;T 5G Evolution capable =
smartphone<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:black'>-------- Original message =
--------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>From: EDWARD WOODS &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:fogbro1@comcast.net";>fogbro1@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Date: 8/11/20 7:01 AM (GMT-05:00) =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>To: Greg Lemon &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:grglmn@gmail.com";>grglmn@gmail.com</a>&gt;, staffel =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:staffel@comcast.net";>staffel@comcast.net</a>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Cc: Triumphs &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:triumphs@autox.team.net";>triumphs@autox.team.net</a>&gt; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue &amp; =
Mod <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>And isn't it the brass &quot;acorn&quot; that seals the connection at =
the pump, not the threads? ISTR that the original &quot;acorn&quot; is a =
bit longer than the replacements available which limits compression and =
can cause a leak. At one time there was someone making a longer =
&quot;acorn&quot; to solve this problem.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#33333=
3'>Ed Woods <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>On 08/10/2020 11:57 PM Greg Lemon &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:grglmn@gmail.com";>grglmn@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Just a couple random thoughts here.&nbsp; One, I could =
not figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the =
electric pump.&nbsp; My understanding is most electric pumps like to =
push better than the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close =
to the tank and low in back, that would be a good place for the new TR =
electric pump.&nbsp; You seem somewhat concerned about =
originality.&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily =
available and not too hard to fit.&nbsp; There are lots of things I =
remember about rebuilding my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is =
not one of them, so it must have been fairly easy to do and worked (and =
has been working fine for ten years). <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Good Luck <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Greg Lemon <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>TR250 <o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On =
Mon, Aug 10, 2020, 10:43 PM staffel &lt; <a =
href=3D"mailto:staffel@comcast.net";>staffel@comcast.net</a>&gt; wrote: =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote =
style=3D'margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Several =
years ago on an evening&nbsp; club drive in the Catoctin Mts of Maryland =
my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark &amp; =
started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel =
flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg =
and a Motel.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Next =
morning, still raining,&nbsp; the issue was apparent: in the bottom of =
the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'.&nbsp; Cleaned the bowl &amp; =
nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag club =
friend came by and got his trailer &amp; towed me home.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Further =
examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs fuel bowls. So much =
for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Also =
examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak diaphragm, so =
while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.&nbsp;</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>A few =
months later got everything back together.&nbsp; The engine started =
right up &amp; ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the threads =
on fuel feed of the original&nbsp; curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new =
pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop.&nbsp;</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Magnifying glass exam of the =
original Triumph&nbsp; Male pipe 'nut' and the female threaded bore of =
the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread mismatch - Chinese machining. =
It was not Metric either.&nbsp;</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>So =
after talking with TRF, I decided to forget the mechanical pump and =
install an electric pump, ala&nbsp;Jaguar V12s &amp; Jensen Healey / GTs =
(Lotus 907).</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Well, I =
installed a couple of&nbsp; different new electric&nbsp; pumps&nbsp; =
adjacent to the mechanical pump.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>They =
would never 'self prime'.&nbsp;</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Now, =
returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump, &amp; DRAINED =
the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the tank =
is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the =
original input height of the original pump, to receive =
fuel.&nbsp;</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>So I am =
redetailing the frame (cleaning &amp; new paint) and securing the new =
fuel line, inline glass Filter &amp; elec pump&nbsp; right on the frame. =
This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool =
cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Next =
will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of originality) to =
meet the elec pump feed right behind &amp; adjacent to the Water pump. =
The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump , ran =
up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front =
of the engine &amp; then across to the carburetor feeds.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Finally =
hope this resolves the fuel delivery issue.</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>I&nbsp; =
wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier manufacturing =
glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to =
Roadworthy status.</span> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Obviously not going to drive a =
car with weeping fuel near a hot engine. At least on the TR4 &amp; 6s, ( =
unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s ( have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the =
exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side of the engine.&nbsp;</span> =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Sherman D Taffel&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Columbia MD and Goldvein VA&nbsp; =
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class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:9.5pt;color:#575757'>Sent via =
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