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Only to set the record straight: the TRF pumps are manufactured in Italy.
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On 08/11/2020 12:48 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey@cs.com> wrote:
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<span style="font-size: medium;">Let's keep all this good advice in
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-----Original Message-----
<br>From: andrew uprichard <auprichard@uprichard.net>
<br>To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey@cs.com>; fogbro1@comcast.net;
grglmn@gmail.com; staffel@comcast.net
<br>Cc: triumphs@autox.team.net
<br>Sent: Tue, Aug 11, 2020 6:47 am
<br>Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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the late great Randall Young, I tried it once and it worked !</span>
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<span style="font-family: New serif; color: #1f497d;">Jackson,
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<strong>On Behalf Of </strong>DAVID MASSEY
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<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [TR] TR4 Fuel Delivery Issue & Mod
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black;">I've heard of people adding a second compression sleeve (acorn) cut in
half to achieve the desired length. I haven't tried it myself since I got
mine to seal up with the standard sleeve but if I had an issue that would have
been my next step.</span>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif; color:
black;">-----Original Message-----<br clear="none">From: EDWARD WOODS <<a
href="mailto:fogbro1@comcast.net"; target="_blank" shape="rect"
rel="noopener">fogbro1@comcast.net</a>><br clear="none">To: Greg Lemon
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#333333;">And isn't it the brass "acorn" that seals the connection at the pump,
not the threads? ISTR that the original "acorn" is a bit longer than the
replacements available which limits compression and can cause a leak. At one
time there was someone making a longer "acorn" to solve this problem.
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color: black;">Just a couple random thoughts here. One, I could not
figure out from your message where exactly you ended up putting the electric
pump. My understanding is most electric pumps like to push better than
the like to pull, MG and Healey pumps are mounted close to the tank and low in
back, that would be a good place for the new TR electric pump. You seem
somewhat concerned about originality. </span>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif;
color: black;">Second, mechanical pump rebuild kits are readily available and
not too hard to fit. There are lots of things I remember about rebuilding
my TR ten years ago, rebuilding the pump is not one of them, so it must have
been fairly easy to do and worked (and has been working fine for ten years).
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color: black;">Several years ago on an evening club drive in the Catoctin
Mts of Maryland my TR4 developed running/ hesitation issues. Then it got dark
& started to rain. Could not drive the car steady over 45mph. Typical fuel
flow clogging issue symptoms. Fortunately we made it into Fredericksburg and a
Motel. </span>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif;
color: black;">Next morning, still raining, the issue was apparent: in
the bottom of the Glass fuel bowl- a pile of 'rust dust'. Cleaned the
bowl & nursed the car home 30 miles, but it kept dying. Fortunately a Jag
club friend came by and got his trailer & towed me home. </span>
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color: black;">Further examination determined sediment also in the CD carbs
fuel bowls. So much for the fuel pump 'screen' being 'effective'. </span>
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color: black;">Also examination of the fuel pump (original) revealed a weak
diaphragm, so while working on the carbs, ordered a new pump from TRF.
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif;
color: black;">A few months later got everything back together. The
engine started right up & ran fine. But no matter how I tried to seal the
threads on fuel feed of the original curved pipe inlet 'nut' to the new
pump ( pipe dope, teflon tape, rtv) the leak wouldn't stop. </span>
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'nut' and the female threaded bore of the new TRF pump revealed a slight thread
mismatch - Chinese machining. It was not Metric either. </span>
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pump and install an electric pump, ala Jaguar V12s & Jensen Healey /
GTs (Lotus 907). </span>
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pumps adjacent to the mechanical pump. </span>
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color: black;">Now, returning to the project. I removed the mechanical pump,
& DRAINED the tank of the old fuel. It seems that the gravity feed when the
tank is less than 1/2 full requires the elec pump to be very low ( like the
original input height of the original pump, to receive fuel. </span>
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color: black;">So I am redetailing the frame (cleaning & new paint) and
securing the new fuel line, inline glass Filter & elec pump right on
the frame. This allows the steel feed line from the tank ( after Dremel Tool
cutting) to match the new location of the electric pump. </span>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif;
color: black;">Next will be modifying a new copper fuel line ( semblance of
originality) to meet the elec pump feed right behind & adjacent to the
Water pump. The original copper pipe mated to the back of the mechanical pump ,
ran up and forward along the engine at the cylinder head level to the front of
the engine & then across to the carburetor feeds. </span>
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color: black;">I wanted to share a warning about the TRF pump supplier
manufacturing glitch. So others can not waste years getting their TRs back to
Roadworthy status. </span>
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<span style="font-size: 10.0pt; font-family: sans-serif;
color: black;">Obviously not going to drive a car with weeping fuel near a hot
engine. At least on the TR4 & 6s, ( unlike Jaguar 6s ( have 2) or V12s (
have 3), Jensen GTs ( have 3) ; the exhaust Manifolds are on the opposite side
of the engine. </span>
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